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All Forum Posts by: David Maldonado

David Maldonado has started 49 posts and replied 150 times.

Post: Need help! Mulitfamily owner occupied loan

David MaldonadoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Santa Maria, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 80

Hey everyone!

I am planning on buying a multifamily property in Fresno Ca (triplex or quadplex). I haven't decided whether to use my remaining VA loan entitlement or go owner occupied conventional (Navy Fed offers a good rate with 5% down and no pmi). With the VA loan I can put 0% down but it will be tougher to get a good deal with it due to their strict move ready in standards or with the conventional Ioan I can put 5% down, get a higher loan amount and have more leeway when it comes to move in ready standards (from what I heard). I believe I would have about 230k of entitlement left for Fresno county. Also for move in ready conditons: If I find a fixer upper quadplex that needs work, do all the units have to be move in ready? Or can I find a property with at least 1 unit that is move in ready and rehab the rest?

Post: California ADU business

David MaldonadoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Santa Maria, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 80
Originally posted by @Orlando Perez:

@Chris Mason 

thanks for the info regarding the loan options for ADUs. Hypothetical, you buy a property, you add the ADU, you refinance after certain time period, how does that process differ from purchasing a property with an existing ADU? Thanks

That's what I'm going to find out soon when I order an appraisal. This is still fairly new (at least legally) and then won't be much comps well at least in my area. What I could say is that people that converted their garage into a "master room with a sink and a bathroom" had much higher appraisals and sells prices due to the added room and square footage. All depends on the area. In my area conveted garages are highly desirable by buyers because they know it can pay for more than half their mortgage.

Post: Partnership newbie! ADU investing

David MaldonadoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Santa Maria, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 80
Originally posted by @Parker Eberhard:

@David Maldonadoalfaro you converted an already built structure half the size for $35k.

 Yes the structure was already there. But that still nowhere near constitutes a price above 100k. I did most of the work myself so I can see where I saved on labor but a breakdown from the cost was 15k in materials, 11k in permits and impact fees, 2k in architect fees and the rest was in labor that I had to outsource.

Post: Partnership newbie! ADU investing

David MaldonadoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Santa Maria, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 80
Originally posted by @John A Murray:
Originally posted by @Orlando Perez:

@David Maldonadoalfaro

Best of wishes on this venture. I think your GC quote is a little low? What does the 60k cover? Make sure it is clearly written out. So, just to give you a comparison and range. We've had GC quote us from 160k to 300k for a 1200 sq ft 3 BD 2 BA detached ADU. if that 60k is legit and it ms clearly written out that's how much it's going cost, that's great. Just confirm that you get what you're paying for.

I have two ADU's close by. One is a garage conversion, with 200sf added on, "builder quality" finish, for $57K. It's nice and clean. The owner and his Dad did some of the finish work, like David M. did. It's a very nice unit, with quality appliances, mini-ductless air/heat, tankless w/h, but prefab stall shower and Home Depot sinks, cabinets/tops, windows-doors etc. Perfect for a rental.

The other is all new construction 700 sf, "custom quality", for $180k. Lot's of tile, custom bathroom/kitchen, top of the line appliances etc. It's for their Dad to retire to shortly. They went overboard, in my opinion, being novices at this. Every time their contractor suggested an upgrade they went for it. Fancy for a rental.

Then you see David M.'s at $36k for his conversion, builder quality finish and he did some of the work. He didn't spend a bunch on any frills but a clean functional and perfect rental "finish". This with the $6k developer impact fees.

Well said John M.!

Post: Partnership newbie! ADU investing

David MaldonadoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Santa Maria, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 80
Originally posted by @Orlando Perez:

@David Maldonadoalfaro

Best of wishes on this venture. I think your GC quote is a little low? What does the 60k cover? Make sure it is clearly written out. So, just to give you a comparison and range. We've had GC quote us from 160k to 300k for a 1200 sq ft 3 BD 2 BA detached ADU. if that 60k is legit and it ms clearly written out that's how much it's going cost, that's great. Just confirm that you get what you're paying for.

 160k-300k? That's pricey! What constitutes this cost? I built my first adu converting my garage into a 488 sq feet 1bed 1 bath unit for 35k with permits. I hired subcontractors for a few things (electrical, plumbing, and drywall). And I went with durable materials for long-term. 

Post: Partnership newbie! ADU investing

David MaldonadoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Santa Maria, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 80
Originally posted by @John Wijtenburg:

You can do this in a few ways, but I would take an approach that separates the interests.

Think about your property as an equity contribution in the joint venture. You're contributing land, which has a value, and your partner is contributing cash. After that, distribute the returns at a market rate based on who's doing the work.

For example, assume the following.

  • Land Contribution: $10,000
  • Cash Equity: $30,000
  • Total Equity: $40,000
  • Project Loan: $160,000
  • Total Sources of Funds: $200,000
  • Land: $10,000
  • Hard Costs: $145,000
  • Soft Costs: $30,000
  • FF&E: $15,000
  • Total Uses of Funds: $200,000

The joint venture can then be structured as pro rata split to an 8% preferred return and 50/50 split on everything thereafter if you are doing the work. Otherwise, you may go with a 90/10 split on everything above 8% preferred return.

Another way to do this is to give 100% of profits above the preferred return to your partner until s/he gets all the cash back an then split everything pro rata.

Everyone that provides value should get a fair return on their contribution. You are providing land and an opportunity to build an ADU. That is valuable and deserves a fair market return (+/-8%), and you should be compensated accordingly for building the thing if you run the project.

Hope this helps. Please feel free to connect and DM me with questions or to run through some alternate scenarios.

 Thank you might have to take you up on that!

Post: Partnership newbie! ADU investing

David MaldonadoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Santa Maria, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 80

Whats up BP community!

I have decided to build a detached ADU for my property and will getting funding from a family member as my investor/partner. With this new CA SB 13 the cost for the permit will be cheaper and will not pay impact fees (maybe some impact fees if I decide to go above 750 sq ft). I have a GC quote of 60k for a 2bed 2bath unit of 740 sq feet that will have its own private entrance, yard, and laundry. The unit will rent out for $1600-1800 (includes utlities). My investor will pay for it all and I will have it built on my property. My question is: what would be a fair split between the both of us? I will provide the property, rent it out and manage it whioe he only provides the cash and won't have any direct involvement but I feel like a 50/50 split won't be fair to him because he is dropping a lot of capital in this investment. It will take about 6 years for him to make his money back and then start seeing his returns. The goal here is for both of us to win and I don't think refinancing is a viable option to pay him back sooner due to ADUs still being fairly new to the market. What do you guys think?

Post: Investing in Fresno area

David MaldonadoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Santa Maria, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 80
Originally posted by @Barbie Steele:

Fresno is ADU and Tiny Home friendly. Duplexes and Quads go really quickly here, but not as much attention is being paid to homes with existing ADUs - yet. I would be happy to help you out if you have questions. Clovis is a wonderful town, but as far as ADUs go they are trying to keep those in certain areas. With the laws the governor just passed, they may not have a choice, but the resistance is still there.

 I don't plan on building ADUs in Fresno. I personally don't think it's worth it there because of the weather. Splitting utilties would be difficult and expensive if considering adding seprate meters. Plus the roi isn't too great. I'll probably take you up on the help soon when I move.

Post: Investing in Fresno area

David MaldonadoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Santa Maria, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 80
Originally posted by @Aaron K.:

Fresno is better than many other cities in CA but nationwide still lags a bit, it depends on which class of property you want I suggest looking at Clovis as well as Fresno itself.

 Yes Clovis was my first option but there isn't much available for multifamily (at least on market) 

Post: Investing in Fresno area

David MaldonadoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Santa Maria, CA
  • Posts 156
  • Votes 80

Hello everyone! I'm still a beginner in the real estate investing world. Read countless books on real estate investing and own my first sfh with an ADU. I am currently house hacking and have all my extra rooms rented out to live for free until I fullfill my 1 year occupany (ends in Dec 2019) in Santa Maria. I am moving to Fresno for school in Jan for the spring semester, but the main reason is to move further in my real estate business. Fresno appears to be more affordable than most cities and from my research thus far, returns are pretty good for mulit family homes and is filled with college students looking for places! Just want to hear opinions from experienced investors in Fresno area. I plan on getting a quadplex and live in one of the units while I go to school and house hack and repeat until I finish school. Once settled in, I plan on partnering up with my old man (experienced investor in my hometown and the person who taught me the business) and tackle our first flip since we can compete with cash buyers there.