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All Forum Posts by: David Hamilton

David Hamilton has started 1 posts and replied 14 times.

Jonathan,

I'd echo some of Joel's comments. Net Worth generally needs to be equal to or greater than the loan amount. Also agree on liquidity -- 10% or greater. Bad Boy Carveouts are much more straight forward for life companies than CMBS. I have seen CMBS Carveout language so onerous that it pretty much is a recourse loan for all intents and purposes. Life Company Carveouts basically say that if you file for bankruptcy, commit fraud or misrepresentation, or have an environmental issue, the recourse is triggered. Carveouts aren't really relevant for my Federal Credit Unions since these are generally full recourse loans.

I tend to steer clear of CMBS in general unless full term interest only is the number one priority for the borrower.

CMBS was an incredible source in the early to mid 2000's before the collapse. Again, if you watch "The Big Short" or other movies that talk about mortgage backed securities, there were A LOT of problems back then. Although there is certainly plenty of blame to go around, if I had to place it on one of the players it would be the rating agencies (S&P, Moody's & Fitch) because they were rating these junk bonds as AAA investment grade. I won't dive too deep into this but essentially there were huge conflicts of interests and even border line corruption in the marketplace back then. With that said, all of these problems actually resulted in fantastic loan terms at the time for commercial real estate borrowers -- very high LTV, very low spread/ margin, interest only for term, pro forma underwriting, etc.

To give you some perspective on how we are still feeling the pain of the "go-go" CMBS era 10+ years ago... I'd like to share the below anecdote.

I am currently working on a strip retail center CMBS re-finance deal in Murrieta, California (just north of San Diego). It was (and still is) an $8,000,000 loan originated in 2007, interest only for the 10 year term, and 80% loan to value on PRO FORMA rents. These pro forma rents never ended up materializing. This loan, and many others that are coming due this year, cannot even be re-financed. Many borrowers are having to make some tough decisions right now. They are either selling, handing back the keys to the lender, option for a bridge loan with mezzanine financing, or putting cash in just to re-finance the loan.

CMBS is certainly back but many of the lesser (non-bank) players are starting to drop like flies. Due to Dodd-Frank's "risk retention" regulations, it is harder for these lenders to be profitable. Also, borrowers have a really bad taste in their mouths about their prior CMBS experiences (high legal fees, no interest rate lock, defeasance pre-payment penalty, cash flow sweeps, lock boxes, onerous Tenant Improvement/Leasing Commission/CapEx Reserve Requirements)... I can go on and on! I expect the herd of CMBS originators to thin out to just 10 or so in the next couple years. Unless the other capital sources tighten up their lending (banks, credit unions & life co's) I don't foresee CMBS' influence returning to its former glory anytime soon.

Hope this was helpful!

David Hamilton

Hi Jade,

Life companies generally like to do loans $1,000,000 and above. They also generally cannot be accessed directly by a borrower such as yourself. Insurance companies lend through a correspondent network of companies.  Some of the big life insurance companies I work with include John Hancock, Voya (formerly ING), The Standard, Protective Life and Ameritas.

Thank you Lee!

Hello All,

I am new to the Bigger Pockets forums but have been listening to the podcasts for several months now. Although I certainly get a TON of value from the platform already, I found that more sophisticated, nuanced advice for financing commercial and multi-family real estate was sorely needed. 

I think one of the common misconceptions of commercial/multi-family is that the loan underwriting process is similar to residential. This could not be further from the truth. Residential (1-4 units) is almost completely dependent on the financial strength of the individual borrower(s) (income, credit score, debt/equity etc). In contrast, commercial and multi-family (5+ units) underwriting is MUCH more dependent on the metrics of the property itself. In order to qualify for commercial/multi-family conventional financing, there are two basic parameters that need to be met. 

1. The Net Operating Income (NOI) of the given property must be in excess of 1.15x-1.25x the loan payment

2. The total loan to value must not exceed 75-80%

As long as these two metrics are met, a borrower would be well on his/her way to approval. Of course, if the individual borrower has a checkered history (bankrupticies, foreclusures, felonies, etc.) there might be an issue. With that said, I have been able to secure pretty good terms for borrowers with a less than stellar financial profile simply because the property itself was such a gem.

What are the various types of capital sources for Commercial/Multi-Family real estate financing? I think most people know about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. These Government Sponsored Enterprises (GSE's) dominate the multi-family lending arena. Most people probably also know about the big banks such as Chase and Wells Fargo which are very active in the apartment and commercial sphere. In addition, some may know about Commercial Mortgage Backed Security (CMBS) lenders. These (along with residential mortgage backed securities) were the "bad loans" that were being made in the early to mid 2000's. I would recommend watching "The Big Short" if you are interested in learning more about these. CMBS loans are still around today and provide an important source of liquidity for commercial/multi-family financing.

With all that said, I am here to try to add value to The Bigger Pockets Community. I think I can do that by introducing a couple capital sources that are a little bit more under the radar...

The first is Federal Credit Unions. I have closed many loans with Federal Credit Unions over the past several years. The great thing about CU's as a source is that they can lend to a borrower no matter his/her location on properties across the nation. There is generally no geographic limitation. Also, by law, these loans have ZERO pre-payment penalties. I often place these loans for my borrowers that plan on adding a lot of value to the commercial or apartment property and want to make sure they do not incur a penalty once they sell or do a cash out re-finance. Finally, Federal Credit Unions also generally have low origination costs and 30 year amortizations which helps maximize cash-flow.

The second source I would like to discuss is Life Insurance Companies. Life Co's might be the most misunderstood source in the Commercial lending landscape. Even though Life Co's are routinely responsible for 10%-20% of all originated commercial loans, their role is often understated. I understand why... "Why would Life Insurance Companies be such active participants in Commercial and Multi-Family Lending?" The answer is actually pretty simple. Life Insurance Companies have long-term liabilities (policies) and they need to invest their monthly premiums in order to ensure that they are getting the return necessary to pay out on those policies. Because these policies are long-term liabilities, life companies want to match them with long-term assets. They do this by providing mortgages that otherwise don't really exist with the other previously mentioned capital sources. 10 years fixed... 15 years... 20 years... even 30 years! In fact, I just closed a $5,000,000 30 year fixed rate senior housing loan on a property in San Diego.

What else makes Life Companies unique besides the benefit of providing a long-term fixed rate and eliminating interest rate risk? 

  • They provide loans that are non-recourse (no personal guarantee). This helps borrowers insulate the risk of that loan to just the property itself.
  • They carry extremely low interest rates. Generally no other capital source can match the rates life companies can offer.
  • No global underwriting. They generally only care about the asset and will not require an invasive individual underwriting process.
  • Certainty of execution. Life companies rarely "re-trade" on loans. When they issue an application, it is pretty much a done deal.

Hopefully this post has added some value for the BP Community. Keep Killing it! I would love to talk with everyone further. This is such a great platform for sharing ideas and building wealth. also BRANDON AND JOSH this is my first official request to earn the privilege of joining the podcast!

David Hamilton