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All Forum Posts by: David Hagen

David Hagen has started 5 posts and replied 23 times.

Post: First Property on Contract!

David HagenPosted
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 10

Good morning, BP!

After a couple months of lurking and posts here and there, along with listening to many podcasts and REI books, I've finally gotten my first property on contract with a closing date of 1/10/19!

First, thanks so much to those that have addressed any questions I've had here on the BP forums.  The willingness of members of this site to advise and educate is fantastic!

Okay, so on to the details:

The house is being purchased for $55,000 and is valued at $63,000. It's largely move-in ready, a 3/1 750sq ft. SFR in Illinois. I plan on renovating to the extent of swapping carpets out with hardwood vinyl tile throughout, painting the cabinetry and installing hardware, installing a new solid countertop, and repainting the house's trim and walls. The bathroom will receive a new sink and mirror, and the exterior will be repainted in the spring with new landscaping for curb appeal. I plan on doing the majority of the work with my brother-in-law, who does rehab work for a living, so I can become educated on the cost and process of the project. Pending inspection, I may replace the furnace and water heater to save on any potential repairs in the coming years.

I was able to get the house for 20% down in a conventional 30 yr mortgage with a lender that will allow me to transfer the title into my LLC while keeping the mortgage in my name. I'll be self-managing, so after taking into account mortgage and taxes, along with 5% for CapEx, repairs, and vacancy, I'll be grossing $1,000/month and netting ~$350/month. I won't be able to increase the house's value to the point that I can BRRRR it, but getting the first property under my belt is awesomely gratifying. I definitely understand the addicting nature of the business!

Thank you again for the support -- I'll be sure to recap once renovations are complete for a before and after look!  Many more properties to come.

Post: Decision - Finish basement or convert to duplex?

David HagenPosted
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 10
@Brian Ellis Thanks to you as well for the response, sir! The property is a foreclosure so I’m not sure if I’d be able to get a solid answer on that, but it’s a great point. I’ll inquire regardless. It would be disappointing to be unable to finish the basement, but the property would still cash flow without.

Post: Decision - Finish basement or convert to duplex?

David HagenPosted
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 10
@Nathan G. Thanks for the response, Nathan! The issue with tenants below crossed my mind but I hadn’t given it much thought. Definitely an area of concern. I definitely plan on looking for properties that were built as multi-family from the get-go in the future as I scale up to hopefully avoid this caveat.

Post: Decision - Finish basement or convert to duplex?

David HagenPosted
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 10

Good morning, BP!

I've got an offer in on a property that needs about 10-15k of work on the main living space, but the basement is partially finished with electrical wired and wall studs already in place for a 4-room layout.  The basement already has a full bathroom as  well.

The interesting part is that the basement's only entrance is from the garage.  This led me to the idea of expanding the property to a duplex, but I'd have to add in a kitchen, separate furnace, and separate water heater on top of making sure zoning allows for a duplex.

I could finish the basement to give the house 4 bedrooms and rent it at $1200-1300, or I could convert to a duplex and rent two units for a total cash flow of around $1600-1700, however having never done a rehab (much less an expansion to a duplex), I'm concerned about the scope of work necessary.

Has anyone seen success in this area with some advice to share? 

Thank you in advance!

@Henri Meli This is very inspiring, congratulations and thanks for sharing such a detailed plan of action. As an investor just getting started I’ve looked entirely at the residential market — rest assured that I’ll be looking at commercial as well now!

Post: Small Town Duplex; Big Time Cash Flow

David HagenPosted
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 10
Originally posted by @Matt Smith:

@David Hagen  Here's a general outline based on my experience as a response to a similar inquiry:

Thanks, but investing in rural has its drawbacks when trying to sell; hence, the great deals! But, for long term investments...I'm very happy.

I take time to try and find unlisted deals, or very long DOM. I'll try to acquire with seller financing. My experience with agents in the rural areas isn't too good. It seems to me that they're not as passionate about real estate. As for the seller financing, my experience has been that locals to rural areas undervalue their property.  When looked at from current income potential standpoint, the numbers start making a lot of sense.

NOTE: For rural, I would focus on your current living area's 1-3 hrs radius. If not practical, or if you prefer remote investing, then I'm not sure what a good recommendation would be. Maybe buying 1/2, or partial, but I don't know anyone doing that. In the 1980s equity sharing, or buying 1/2 a house seemed to be a solution for home ownership. I think it's great idea for any ownership, especially commercial (isn't that how the big boys acquire?). Not sure why it's not discussed more, especially since it can solve management concerns, and can be very close to true passive income...like a nnn lease with the right tenant. None the less, I travel to the areas 1-3 hrs from where I live and look around a lot.

Recommendations for Rural narrowed down to this:

1) Find a major metro area with strong jobs and increasing population, and search up to 60 miles out.

2) Find the most affordable region 60 miles out that has something special to offer in the path of progress. Maybe rivers, lakes, camping, general land layout, quality of the area as a whole--does it seem like a nice area when I drive through. New construction, but probably most importantly would be govt construction. Road widening, intersection improvements, etc. It lets me know that the government anticipates growth.

3) Find a vacant structure that can be leased "as-is" or very close to it, or an undervalued performing commercial asset. FSBO, Unlisted, Homemade Sign, or vacant and neglected structure. Or, a property listed by an agent with high DOM. Find the best deal on a single family that may be used commercially, or commercial property that can be leased as is. Consider the flow of traffic, egress, regress. Something on a large corner lot, if possible. I try to find value adds. Is the quality of the structure solid, and what would it cost to rebuild.

3a) Verify taxes. I've noticed some of these smaller towns have very low taxes. They'll likely go up, but to avoid mass financial shock to the older population, they'll go up slowly. This has been my experience so far.

4) Make sure purchase price can be justified based on worst case rental income. Commercial, as you can imagine, is always tougher in the smaller rural areas (commercial location not significant in my mind these days, I'll elaborate more another time). Find value that others have overlooked.

5) Prepare an offer for the seller to finance, and/or find some way to leverage having the property start paying for itself by leasing it asap. I look into tax records to see what can be determined. Questions I have are: Have the sellers owned it for a long time. Have they had trouble selling, was it inherited, does it include additional tracts of land, or solid construction traits not advertised.

6) Try to acquire with $5k or less down, and payments low enough to sustain long term in case of long vacancies. If the seller will only sell with a balloon, then demand a clause with the option to extend with no, or low consideration.

I see great architecture, especially commercial, in some of the small towns in Texas. Such a waste to see many of them vacant. I'm all for recycling these classics, generating cash flow to the local communities. Something that I find very valuable is the access to the locals, other businesses, and city leaders in these areas when investing in commercial. Everyone wants success, even the City Mayors, and having access to them is very encouraging.

I could go on and on. There's more to it, but hope this helps a little if/when you decide to invest in the outskirts.

Most of my acquisitions came between 2014-2015. Timing and luck.

Hope this helps and encourages others to consider the rural areas that make sense.

Good Luck and Happy Investing

Thanks for the thorough reply, Matt -- great insight here.  I admit that I don't know all too much about seller financing, so I'll be looking into how this works for future opportunities.

I also definitely see the value looking 50-60 miles out from major areas!  Where I'm at we have suburbs of suburbs, all pretty valid for a commute to a major area or commerce or employment.

I'm curious of your overall thoughts on commercial property, however; this is the first time that I've seen commercial real estate listed on the BP forums in my short couple of months here so far. What have you used to analyze opportunities for these properties, if different from the standard tools for SFH and the like?

Post: Small Town Duplex; Big Time Cash Flow

David HagenPosted
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 10

@Matt Smith This sounds great, congratulations!  Could you outline your process of determining whether the property was worth investing in as a small-town purchase?

I've looked at areas with lower population counts and have been concerned with overall lack of rentability and the lack of other similar rentals in the area.

Post: Is there a particular way to buy your first property in an LLC?

David HagenPosted
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 10

@Mike S. 

Thanks, Mike!  I'll be doing some research on this one.

Post: How many deals did you look at before you closed your first??

David HagenPosted
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 10
@Richard Lovering I have yet to secure my first deal, but I’m looking at 5-10 a day and putting them through a tool I built to quickly calculate ROI and returns. I’ve gone to look at 5 or 6 so far and have definitely appreciated the learning opportunity it’s presented — I’m getting more comfortable with assessing what would be a viable opportunity from my desk before wasting my and my realtor’s time.

Post: New property new LLC?

David HagenPosted
  • Rockford, IL
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 10
@Shimon P. I have yet to find my first deal, but I’ve established a series LLC that allows for compartmentalization of each property, restricting the liability to each series. That may be something you can look into to reduce the cost of a new LLC for each property, however I’m not sure if an existing LLC can be turned into a Series LLC.