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All Forum Posts by: Kumar Tummalapalli

Kumar Tummalapalli has started 17 posts and replied 170 times.

Post: Rules of thumb / Heuristics to know if it's a truly true "Deal"

Kumar TummalapalliPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 46

What uncommon "rules of thumb" / heuristics do you use to decide if it's a real "deal " ?  

The ones I use : ( these are not uncommon though :-) )

1. AVM like zillow / realtor and so on

2. Tax Assessed Value ( know the equalization factor for your county ) - and when was this assessed ?

3. A very similar comp on the same street or of it's a condo ( Full comp analysis is always there but that's more time taking and sometimes with the same comps - diff analysts arrive at diff prices)

4. Keywords from description such as "investor special" and so on 

Post: Realtors...why don't they answer their phones???

Kumar TummalapalliPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Bruce Runn:

@Kumar Tummalapalli

David, it was listed $132.0 less than tax assessed value.  In Minneapolis, assessed value is at least a 2-3 years trailing number to real value since values have been going up so quick.  I just finished the renovation of +$120,000 and have an appraisal of over $800,000 so it was clearly worth at least $600.0 to start.

Got it.. Thanks for clarifying that - Good rule of thumb to quickly chk if a particular listing is a "Deal" . But just to add , the listing price itself didn't tell that it's a deal , because there might be a bad roof or whatever , once it came in your radar , you took a look at it and from viewing the property you found that it's a true deal - is this a fair understanding ?

Post: Realtors...why don't they answer their phones???

Kumar TummalapalliPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Michael Hicks:

@Bruce Runn, agreed!  I picked one up on Friday where the agent listed the wrong address and didn't post good pictures.  60k below list.  Pure laziness on their part.  

 @Michael Hicks - How did you find this in your search and how did you find the right address? Might give some ideas to search for in our markets :-)

Post: Realtors...why don't they answer their phones???

Kumar TummalapalliPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 46

To add to this discussion - I often see Realtors bashing Posters on trulia and quora - irrespective of the qn they say "get an agent" - As though that is the end of all problems and as though your agent is experienced in all areas. 

I do get that , in any profession , we have only few who are really knowledgeable , but is more obvious in the case of real estate agents

One of houses my colleague was looking- the agent kept saying you have to bid 5k to 10k over listing price as she could not get the offer accepted . I know there could be many reasons for this but the agent just tried to mislead . So I had to get MLS access through some creative way and then pulled a report for past 6 months - and compared "original list price" vs "sold price" - there are only 2 properties which were sold over list price. I had to spend 30 mins to show her how to get the report from MLS

Post: Realtors...why don't they answer their phones???

Kumar TummalapalliPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Bruce Runn:

@Michael Hicks

I asked a broker friend what the deal is with these realtors who basically don't know anything and it was explained to me that the "3 week" training they get is essentially focused on how to market yourself, get clients, ect. and just cursory overview on laws, regulations, best practices, ect. so obviously the realtor association doesn't care about being qualified, just getting members. Crazy that a licensing board is also that lazy. It's almost like they want to see how little work they can actually do. Kind of like being a listing agent and thinking all you have to do is post it on the MLS which they take as earning their commission-LOL, In the end, I don't care as my realtor is super smart and aggressive on finding properties.

I got a property recently and the listing agent was supposedly experienced but I bought it for full list at $132,000 under assessed value because the listing agent apparently didn't think you could get a loan on it since it was two duplexes on one parcel.  Got it under contract in less than 24 hours and after the PA was signed, she call my banker to ask how I could get a loan since she comes from a very big office with experienced realtors and they couldn't figure it out.  My banker said, well you can't get a traditional loan but he's getting a commercial loan and she was just dumb founded.  Apparently she must have put such a low price since she didn't think anyone could come up with "cash" to buy it.  This falls under- you just can't make these things up.

@Bruce Runn  - When you say "Assessed value" - is it the Tax Assessed value ? Also when 1-4 unit is considered residential , will the two duplexes be not "residential " - Thanks

Post: First property fourplex - homepath

Kumar TummalapalliPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 46

@Jeff Kehl  Great Advice , Thanks , will consider that . I have to do something creative..:-)

Post: Properties that doesn't Cashflow

Kumar TummalapalliPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

There is never a good reason for having negative cash flow.  There may be reasons, but not good ones.

Cash invested should always be moving ...forward. Negative CF is where it moves backwards. It can be rationalized as having a purpose, but "rationalization" is the most expensive word in the REI dictionary...and if you use it too often, you will be rationalized right to the poor house.

Never buy a property that has negative cash flow.  The future is now.

Joe Villeeuve
REcapSystem
A2REIC

 ok - In 2006 I bought a $100 cash flowing condo in chicago for 250k , right now the max I could get is 175k , I cannot hold it forever.  

To the OP - What I am trying to say is - its not black and white , "Positive cash flow is good , negative cash flow is bad , california market is great "  - when you hear some one making these statements run away . I also observed that this theory is correct in many other areas of life . Whenever some only says , just the positive side of something or just the negative side of something , be wary.

Post: First property fourplex - homepath

Kumar TummalapalliPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Hadar Orkibi:

@Kumar Tummalapalli 4 plex will generate the best return, more doors more incomes.

You could try to be more proactive and do some direct mail to owners of 3-4 units in your market. that could yield you a great deal!

Definitely a great idea - I do some mailing already for probates as part of my wholesaling set up , but the whole rationale behind this strategy is to use fha to put very less money down and grab a reasonable priced REO through firstlook program .

There is no way I can compete with established investors - who have their contractors/agents and money lined up . so the firstlook is the only way I get some competitive advtage and finally I am getting a chance to get something (from govnment)  in return for paying 50k in taxes from my w2 job since 4 yrs 

Post: First property fourplex - homepath

Kumar TummalapalliPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 46
Originally posted by @Peter M.:

You could try a FHA 203k rehab loan but this is probably not the best plan especially as your first purchase/investment. Plus I do not even know if that kind of thing is allowed with that type of loan program. You would be killing 1/2 of potential rental income right off the bat (having 3/6 units rented vs 6/6). Better to wait to find a 1-4 family rather than getting into conversions. Maybe look for duplexes instead of 4-plexes. You won't cash flow at first but you can leverage it after a few years to get more.

Yep right , 203 k rehab loan is my only option here and yes its allowed , The reason I can only leverage this as my first purchase is to take advantage of the first look program by homepath where investors are not allowed to bid for the first 20 days - These REOs are very competitively priced so that's the rationale....posting the link for the program https://www.homepath.com/firstlook-program.html

Waiting for fourplex is something I am considering , but we could understand easily why this is more competitive as its residential , so the only way to get a leg up is to pick something which is slightly complicated - I have heard of things like converting one of the unit as storage or something like that , but need to find right guidance as you know I am scared to death :-)

Post: First property fourplex - homepath

Kumar TummalapalliPosted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 46

Hi There - I am targeting to buy a 4 plex and house hack and take advantage of home path first time buyer program , however I don't have any such things in market currently , but there is one 6 unit in Market . Is it a feasible project to try to convert to fourplex and go for a loan ?  

Anyway to creatively structure this