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All Forum Posts by: David C.

David C. has started 6 posts and replied 61 times.

Post: Current Interest Rate??

David C.Posted
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  • NC
  • Posts 64
  • Votes 26

@Vinnia Tjhin is this for a commercial loan or does the loan have to be in your personal name for Cross Country Mortgage?

Post: Apartment Building Syndication

David C.Posted
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Originally posted by @Brian Burke:

@Mitchell Handley if the deal is structured such that you no longer receive cash flow after receiving a return of your capital, run, do not walk, as far as you can from that deal.  Those are not market terms.  Yes, you see plenty of syndicators doing this, but there is no reason why investors should accept such terms.

Let's walk through an example.  Let's say that in the first year you have $200,000 committed.  It takes $16,000 to satisfy the preferred return hurdle.

@Brian Burke which rate of returns do your investors typically want to see? I see the different returns as well as the different ways firms calculate them, but I don't want to be overwhelming with it. For example, IRR levered vs unleverred, do you provide both of these? The same for IRR, ROI.

In addition to which returns/ratios to show, what frequency do you illustrate the returns to your investors? For example, if the hold period is expected to be 5 Years, do you present the IRR only at year 5 or do you provide it for let's say years 2-4 based on the analysis of sales price & growth? In case the property has the potential to sale sooner.

The same applies with cash on cash vs cummulative cash on cash, terminal cap rate (forecasted years 2-5), etc.

Finally, am I correct to present the IRR in a given year with the assumption of the sale in that year? This is for presentation/ forecasting purposes only, not actual returns.

In this case, there is no pref rate. 

Post: Cash poor, real estate rich

David C.Posted
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  • NC
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@Lisa Sluss you can cash-out refinance without a mortgage. My clients have done that numerous times. Do you have any community banks in your area? These banks are more relationship based and have offer flexibility in their underwriting. What state are you in?

Post: Syndication models- can I long term hold?

David C.Posted
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@Brian Burke I appreciate your perspective from the investor side, that's what I need. My reasoning to offer it was similar to cross collateralization to strengthen the deal for the investor. But it appears it would not have that impact. I will continue thinking of another way.

Post: Syndication models- can I long term hold?

David C.Posted
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@Brian Burke

Thanks Brian! This is definitely helpful in achieving my long term goal of buy & hold. On the equity side, I am researching structuring the deals in a way that the investors will have ownership in at least 2 properties (including the subject property) for every offering to help mitigate their risk. Initially, the first property would be one that I currently own and is cash flowing and the second property is the subject of the offering.

In setting this up, I was thinking to have my current property deeded over to the new LLC and purchase the new property in that LLCs name.

What are your thoughts on how to best accomplish this or something similar?

Post: How to split Equity with no cash in the deal?

David C.Posted
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  • NC
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I have some friends/family interested in partnering in real estate. I have the credit to qualify and they are willing to put in enough for the down payment. Their goal is to make some extra money utilizing my experience and credit. I will analyze the property, negotiate, manage the property, and screen tenants. I am open to this because I don't have to use my funds and it allows them to achieve their goal. My questions are:

1. What would be fair equity split in this case?

2. If equity, do I need to add them as a limited partner in the LLC (would create a new LLC)?

3. Would this be better to structure as a loan from them and pay interest?

Post: Syndication models- can I long term hold?

David C.Posted
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@Brian Burke

In a situation where you can have interest only payments for almost the duration of your stabilization period (say 18 months), and the cash flow is the same as in an equity relationship, would the risk be mitigated? I am open to both structures (equity/debt), but because long term I would rather own the asset outright, debt seems to be the more cost effective method, depending on the cost of the debt, to achieve this.

Post: Syndication models- can I long term hold?

David C.Posted
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  • NC
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Originally posted by @Brian Burke:

@Brianna Babienco the reason most syndicators have relatively short hold periods is threefold. First, if you do a value add deal properly, and the market cooperates, a shorter hold time yields a higher IRR to your investors. Second, investors want to receive their money back, understandably, and the sooner the better (there are exceptions—some investors are looking for long term but there are fewer of them). And third, sponsors receive the bulk of, or sometimes all, of their promote at the sale. So the shorter holds tend to make everyone a winner. And the investor's capital plus gain can be cycled into the next deal at a higher basis which further leverages their return, so the long term folks really can have their cake and eat it too.

While one solution for longer terms is to do a cash out refinance, it is done to boost the investor’s return, minimize their downside risk, and return capital.  It is not done to dilute their ownership interest, or worse yet, transfer their interest to the sponsor.  The likelihood that you could buy out the investors from refinance proceeds alone isn’t likely to work mathematically unless you inject a lot of your own capital. So if I were you I’d eliminate this objective from your business plan.  Any potential for you to cap an investor’s upside by buying or liquidating their interest will result in a significant recruitment challenge. It’s hard enough to raise money, don’t make it any harder on yourself by introducing structures contrary to your investor’s best interest.

@Brian Burke when raising funds, what are the pros/cons to using investor debt vs equity? 

Post: Stessa for Managing Real Estate Data?

David C.Posted
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Originally posted by @Stephen Mahler:

@laudy 

@Laudy Florentino Steesa and Cozy are two different products. 


Cozy is a rent collection product enabling you to accept rent from tenants electronically.

Stessa is more of a tracking software so you can see how your portfolio is performing

 I think the combination of Stessa & Tenant Could will work for me. Together they offer all of what is needed and can be achieved for free or very little cost. 

Post: TenantCloud (formerly EVAproperty) reviews?

David C.Posted
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  • NC
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Originally posted by @Colin Ross:

I have been using Tenantcloud for 1.5 years now. I really like it. I pay the $9 per month to allow me to take online payments. There is room for improvement in the following areas:

1.  Tenant unable to automate monthly payments.

2. Accounting is a little clunky - if it integrated with my bank/credit cards that would make things so much simpler.

Other than this, I really like it.

I just signed up for Tenant Could to try it or and the first section I went to was the accounting. As an accountant this is big for me. I would prefer that the option to sync with the bank if available, but for now I am using a software called Stessa for the accounting & rent roll. I do like the website feature that Tenant Could offers. This is a major plus.