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All Forum Posts by: Paul J.

Paul J. has started 16 posts and replied 76 times.

http://www.freep.com/article/20131025/BUSINESS06/310250107/Packard-Plant-auction-ending

I had the opportunity to urban spelunk this property on my last trip home. It is largely a cinder block canyon and I cannot imagine the liabilities involved with what is - literally - the worlds largest abandoned building complex... I have a hard time believeing the $6M offer will stand...

Post: Free court records searches in your area?

Paul J.Posted
  • Investor
  • Los Osos, CA
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 25

Hey All,

I was thinking - this might be a good idea for a sticky. While there are many paid services to perform court searches for evictions on potential tenants, many courts offer them for free as well. For instance, in Michigan I found this link and learned a whole lot about both my inherited tenants and the tired landlord I purchased my investment from (and the reason he must be so tired!)

https://secure.courts.michigan.gov/jis/ This link took me a bit of searching to find and I've seen other threads where landlords have mentioned places to look. Anyone have any other free links to court records searches in your area? Maybe we could aggregate them all in this thread and it would be a pretty good resource for other investors...

I'm trying to figure it out too. I can only assume that there is likely a local aid agency that provides assistance to low-income folks who can prove they are being evicted, as William said. When I talked to her about cutting her a break, her response was that 'that's all fine and we'll probably be out before the date you gave us, however I think it should be official and go to court'. I told her it was plenty official with the notice I gave, but she insisted 2 or 3 different times that she intended to have it go all the way to an eviction hearing and she mentioned that she knew she would have another 10 days after an eviction order came down... Anyhow, the new 7-day notice will arrive today per the post office tracking and we will see what happens.

Rob - Thanks for the advice about the attorney. I will have to look into that as far as my district court is concerned.

Also, I have taken the advice offered here, slept on it, and served my tenants a 7-day and updated the lawyer. It is clear to me that any person with intentions of paying would have jumped on my offer, and anyone with intentions of gaming would have responded as she did. Assuming the eviction for non-pay goes well, I should be able to take possession about 3 weeks earlier than otherwise, perhaps more considering the holidays...

Thanks again everyone, I'll be sure to post a follow up as we progress.

Oh my. Thanks for the detailed insight...

I did consider the double-notice after our convo on cash-for-keys. I am a new investor and am not totally flush with cash to burn (is anyone?). I can afford an eviction, I can afford all the rehab that needs to be done, after the eviction, I can afford the vacancy and use of utilities in the meanwhile... I was just concerned about turning my one eviction into a double if I get forced to keep them after the first hearing, which would leave me without the cushion that I feel safe with. Maybe I should send them the 7 day and bring this up to my attorney to get the ball rolling a little faster if need be...

I hold the property in an LLC and in Michigan, I must be represented by an attorney in any eviction hearing which I assume would double all costs involved if I get told to keep the problem people in the initial non-pay hearing...?

Re the attorney: Not sure, we have a new relationship and he came highly reccomended. His explanation was that in the district court I will be taking my case to, there are a couple of judges who are sympathetic to he tenants rights. The tenant does have children, and in the event I attempt to evict simply for a non-pay and they are suddenly able to pay, I could be stuck with them and starting the process all over again. I'm new to all of this so not really qualified to be second guessing any of it. The state is Michigan. I do appreciate the feedback!

Also, no doubt if they decide they are going to forgo my generous offer in the name of going to court, I will definately pursue judgement and collection. It's only fair to the next person who checks her references and I at least have some chance of recouping some of the cost.

I'm a new investor. I have a duplex and I have some inherited tenants on a month to month. I served them 30 days notice for a multitude of reasons, but of course on paper decided to go with a 30 day termination of tenancy as I thought it would be easier since I had an indication that this tenant has gamed the system previously. My attorney advised me that if I try to evict for unpaid rent and they show up with the full ammount in court, I could be foreced to take them back and I really dont want them.

Anyhow, I called a couple days later and offered her a generous credit, a kind of cash-for-keys deal.

She is adamant that she wants the thing to go to eviction court (of course, costing me hundreds and extra time). Based on her responses in my 30 minute convo with her, it almost sounds like she feels she has something to gain from being formally evicted rather than leave within the notice and take my $500 credit to her $870 she will owe by then. She told me in many ways that she thinks it shoudl go to court, even though there is nothing for them to contest on a 30-day notice to terminate a month-to-month...

Ever heard of such a thing? All I can figure is that there must be some assistance she will qualify for once she can show she is being formally evicted rather than leave...? That or she's just that bullheaded??

Thanks in advance for any experience or insight anyone might be able to share... All I can figure is that she either thinks she has some card up her sleve that I am unaware of, or she is doubling down on the idea that she will get free rent thru the eviction and never be able to be collected on after the fact.

Post: Detroit? A quick review of my hometown's challenges and opportunities

Paul J.Posted
  • Investor
  • Los Osos, CA
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 25

Such a popular topic on this site... I have been following a lot of the threads, I have a keyword alert for "Detroit" and my email box fills up every day :-). I thought I would share my two cents and history in the city.

Me - I am 34 and grew up in Oakland County (northern suburban Detroit). As a young man, I hired on with SBC (now AT&T) as a high speed internet and telephone technician. I started in Oakland County, then went on to Downtown Detroit, and then after that areas in Southwest Detroit, Cass Corridor, Woodbridge, Corktown, and Dearborn. I was sometimes loaned to other neighborhoods on both the west & east side, so I think I am fairly qualified to explain some things about the city and its real estate stock, at least how it was until a few years ago. I spent my days driving around the city, much of that in the alleys looking for telephone terminals, and going in 2, 3, 4 homes a day to repair telephone service for almost a decade.

People here are saying 'Detroit, terrible investment" and others are saying "Detroit, what an opportunity". They're both right, depending on where you are standing.

Since leaving my beloved Motor City, I have lived in Portland Oregon, Sonoma County California, Los Angeles, and San Luis Obispo. I have travelled to many cities across the East Coast as well. While I am new to landlording, I think I can say from a fairly-educated perspective that Detroit is a very, very unique place. I hear people here saying "You've got to know your market", and I think this rule holds 10x the weight when it comes to the city of Detroit. You really need to know your areas well in Detroit.

I can vouch for many of the stories told here, both good and bad. In Detroit, the urban core has been neglected so severely and damaged so badly by things like insurance redlining, racism, mismanagement, collapse of the manufacturing economy... The list goes on & on. This has left quite a patchwork of neighborhoods in the city, where quite literally one block can have solid owner-occupied homes that are well kept and have a tight neighborhood association, and quite literally two blocks further on the same street there are the burnt shells of homes that are occupied by drug users, feral dogs, or worse. Detroit has had the highest rate of urban arson in any city in the country. There are many areas of the city where you will not get a police response for a property crime without going down to the station yourself to wait in line and make a report. I once witnessed an attempted shooting in broad daylight on a busy street, reported a license plate number and description, and was asked "Was anyone hurt? if not just come down to the station".

That said - Detroit also has a lot of great things going for it. If you like music, art, or history it is an amazing place full of all of it. There are many neighborhoods in the city that have been on the move for a decade or more, an all indications seem to be that there may be a light at the end of the tunnel on both the city government and the mass transit issues that have been lurking for 30+ years. Many of those that have grown up around this town and have stuck around it have a fierce loyalty and care deeply for their town. I lived Downtown for a few years and certainly walked around at all hours of the day and night, and never had any trouble. The areas surrounding Wayne State University are most definitely vibrant, even when they don't always seem that way from an outside perspective.

So - real estate investment there - I am currently living in California and recently purchased my first rental property in Oakland County. While there are many, many properties available in city neighborhoods like Sherwood Forest, Boston Edison, and others - I don't feel qualified to purchase there from afar, especially as a newbie. Even with my years of driving the streets, things happen there on such a mico-neighborhood level that I feel it would be very difficult to get a feel of a particular property without driving around the neighborhood at night, talking to neighbors, etcetera.

If you think you want to invest in Detroit, I think it would be a very good idea for you to plan to relocate there, at least for a time. I spent the first 30 years of my life there and have a network of friends and family I can lean on to provide references for vendors and help out, and I still wouldn't feel comfortable playing long-distance landlord there unless you are prepared to deal with issues like scrapping in broad daylight and a culture of mistrust and contempt of authority that is, perhaps rightfully so, held by many residents. I'm not saying you might not get lucky, and certainly whatever you buy there will cash flow with incredible numbers if you get it rented - my worry comes from the times when it is not rented. I worked at homes where folks had bricks pried from the front of the house and dug out of walkways. Understand that this level of desperation runs deep in areas of the city and you will be exposed to things you may have never realized happen in american cities.

Some excellent reading on the history of the cities troubles is "Origins of the Urban Crisis" by Thomas Sugrue - it's really a must-read primer on the relationship between the city and suburbs if you have any passing interest in Detroit.

Anyway, that's probably more than 2 cents worth. On my next trip back home, I certainly will be taking a look at properties for sale - when I can be there to evaluate them in person.

Post: Buy and Hold in Detroit? Your Opinion

Paul J.Posted
  • Investor
  • Los Osos, CA
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 25

You need to know it well and travel there often. Detroit is such a nuanced city, we are not talking good neighborhood/bad neighborhood, we are talking 1 block with a tight community and well looked after homes, and the next one over with looters and scrappers literally stealing bricks off the fronts of homes. I worked there as a telephoneinstallation and repair technician for 8 years and I wouldnt consider purchasing a home in the city without a lot of driving by, day and night, to see what that particular block is really like. i was once dispatched to a home to fix the telephone and when i got there, there were half a dozen teenagers hanging out in the house that told me 'oh nobody lives here' - the customer had moved and failed to cancel the service call and that quick, the house was broken Iinto and squatted in.

If you really want to find the good deals and make a run in metro detroit, the first step would be to move there and spend 6 months driving around...