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All Forum Posts by: Dan Torluemke

Dan Torluemke has started 5 posts and replied 36 times.

Post: Sell or keep as rental - Denver

Dan TorluemkePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Walker Hinshaw:

@Dan Torluemke

I am with @Bill S. on this one unless you are serious about looking into other markets. 

All the markets across the front range are hot or heating up right now so your options if you want to stay away from the hot markets are either places like Pueblo which is about a 2 hour drive, or out of state. 

What good is that cash going to do if you end up sitting on it? Makes more sense to me to continue to cashflow and have a tenant pay down the mortgage. I also think that the Clayton neighborhood has a good chance to continue appreciating. It is close to downtown and has convenient access to I-70 as well as City Park, City Park Golf Course, and Park Hill Golf Course. Get rid of some of the riff-raff, put in a couple of decent looking shops and restaurants and suddenly you have a great neighborhood.

 Thanks Bill S and Walker, your local insight is very helpful.  I think we have decided to keep the property for now and see how it goes.  I do agree that Clayton has a lot of potential...the retail strip on Bruce Randolph and St. Paul is for sale so hopefully someone will come in and put in a couple of decent new places.  Who knows, maybe the 2 brothers who own the strip on each side of Bruce Randolph at York will eventually cash out and some of the riff-raff will make its way out of the hood. A grocery store in the area would be huge as well. 

All the best.

Post: Sell or keep as rental - Denver

Dan TorluemkePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Jesse T.:

It is probably going to be better to sell and look for a property that is better suited for a rental.  It might take a while of looking to find something, but you should be able to get an investment with nearly 100K at some point.

If you own both properties, you will be at 75% leverage in a hot market.  While that is great if appreciation continues, it can be very bad if things go the other way.

How does you monthly surplus look with the mortgage payment on the new house?

 That makes great sense, and we are buying in an iffy area so being conservative might be the proper approach.  If we clear $1800 in rental income, we will have about $1500-2000 monthly surplus.

Post: Sell or keep as rental - Denver

Dan TorluemkePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Dan Mackin:

Depending on your plan on acquiring new properties one big determining factor would be your DTI. With the new home at 425k it will definitely make an impact on your ratio compared to your current payment. Are you positive you can keep the current property while still qualifying for the new one?

Lots of people would pull even more than the 55k for the HELOC and utilize that extra to get the other rental properties. If you get a 90% LTV HELOC before you move then you would have 120K to play with. Take off 55K for your down payment and there is still 65K to use if needed. The number I was told on a HELOC was to not go above 75% usage. So on 120K don't use more than 90K. That still gives you 45K to play around with and find a property or 2.

 Thanks Dan, yes we qualify without selling. We are under contract and will be moving in July/August once the home is completed.

Unfortunately the HELOC appraisal was pretty conservative (a bit under $300K) and 85% LTV so we don't have that kind of extra to play with. The house is a 3/2 (1350 sq ft all above ground) with a 2-car garage. With the recent sales in the hood I'm fairly certain we can get a good deal more than the bank appraisal though.

BTW, you guys are all great, what a wonderful resource BP will be as we move forward in our real estate ventures!

Post: Sell or keep as rental - Denver

Dan TorluemkePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Matthew Schroeder:

Dan,

I also own a property in Clayton & asked a similar (but different) question less than 2 weeks ago.  @Bill S. and @Walker Hinshaw were very insightful.  Walker lives in your neighborhood.  For your reference, here is the thread.  I hope that is helpful.

http://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/190265-denver-what-would-you-do

Thanks Matthew, that is very helpful!   

All the best.

Post: Sell or keep as rental - Denver

Dan TorluemkePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Travis Sperr:

@Dan Torluemke  - won't say keep or sell - I love rental property, a few items stick out on this one that would concern me.

What is the new payment with Heloc for down payment? Interest only? any plan to reduce that debt?

In Clayton - have to assume a pretty old house? Usually not best for rental property - maintenance.

Seems like the cash is better used as a down payment and ability to do a couple more deals. The market in Denver is nuts - but I would rather own property here than in other markets - especially with your limited experience - there is never a bad market to buy rental property up or down, as long as you have a long term objective.

Best of luck!

 Thanks for the response Travis. I meant to include that our plan is to amortize over 10 years and lock a rate under 3.5%. The payment would be about $550/month.

Our goal is to buy at least one rental every 2 years, if possible. 

Post: Sell or keep as rental - Denver

Dan TorluemkePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 12

Hi all,

First post after having discovered this site about 6 months ago. Love the podcasts and looking forward to broadening my knowledge and hopefully building a decent portfolio over time. 

I have a question on whether I should buy or sell my current home in Denver (Clayton). The home was purchased in 2010 for about $200K (owe $165K) and would sell now for about $325-330K. My wife and I are building new construction (about $425K) and are undecided about what to do with the other home. Our mortgage is a bit under $1K and the rental income would be about $1800 (after paying PM). However, we will be taking a HELOC of about $55K to assist with the 20% down on the new place.

If we sell and net ~ $145-150K, we could use that and our savings (about $30K) to put the 20% down and have roughly $90-95K to begin looking for another rental (or 2?).  We would probably sit on the cash or potentially look at other markets as the Denver market is pretty crazy right now.

The only other debt we have is a student loan and we are able to save about $2-2.5K most months, which we plan to use towards properties in the future.

Thanks for any advice and can't wait to read more on the site!

Dan