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All Forum Posts by: Daniel G.

Daniel G. has started 36 posts and replied 75 times.

@Matt McCourry Hi Matt, I know what you mean. Multifamily deals are all on a "it depends" basis. This property would stabilized with regards to occupancy and expenses. I would be looking for value-add opportunities mainly through continuing renovation as well as the addition of washer/dryer connections, among other things. The investor expectation would be more than anything a long term cash flow, so yes there would be CF distributions.

I appreciate your tip on raising funds once. I know, it's every syndicators worst nightmare to go ask for more money after closing a round of funding. Do you have any methods to determine somewhat of a safety-net that would prevent this for happening? For example, you would raise x% of EGI to have year 1 net working capital?

Any other input would be awesome, thanks Matt.

@Nick B. First of all thank you for taking the time to respond. I must say that you made some bold assumptions. I cannot blame you for this due to the lack of information that I provided for you to feed on. You're assuming that I have no experience, in fact you stated it. You also assumed that I wouldn't be putting any money for the deal, I am. You also assumed that I need to find a co-sponsor. I do have a co-sponsor. He has a roughly 4,000 unit portfolio in Central Texas and a 600 unit property in your very own market.

I wanted to correct your assumptions to prevent other readers from assuming that they are true. This happens in the internet quite a lot.

Thank you for your feedback nonetheless. I appreciate the reminder of the common obstacles that are found for syndicators in this business.

Thank you.

Hi everyone, I like to ask questions with some regularity to keep abreast of what my peers are doing in the multifamily syndication business. I'm looking to syndicate a deal for the acquisition of a 80-110 unit property, worth $2-5M, located in central Texas. I'm currently in the planning and underwriting stages and have scheduled to go raise funds with private investors within a month from now.

My question asks what your preferences are in regards to some common components of the PPM and overall strategy. I'll post them in bullet pt. form to make things a little easier to follow.

  • Do you give investors a preferred rate of return? If so, what rate?
  • What % do you charge for asset management fee?
  • What compensation plan do you have structured for the deal? ( carried interest, hurdle rate, after 100% return, etc.)
  • Do you allow the transferability of partnership interests, if so, how do you determine their value?
  • Do you provide a capital calls provision on your PPM should you need additional funds?
  • When you raise funds do you ask for working capital as well?
  • Do you offer quarterly, semiannual distributions?
  • What offers, services, or perks of any kind do your investors find most attractive?
  • What are some common "low hanging fruits" that you have found limited partners like to hear when you pitch to them?

Any how, I thank you in advance. I know it's a lot of questions but that's what forums are for. I want to collaborate and soak myself with as much of your wisdom as I possibly can.

@Anthony Chara Thank you very much, I appreciate your input.

Originally posted by @Bryan Hancock:

Financing long-term assets with short-term money is the classical road to bankruptcy.  I agree with others that you shouldn't be in partnerships with people who need liquidity in a shorter time period than your investment's horizon.   This is just a bad idea if you're using the classical Reg. D, Rule 506(c) interstate raise.  

There are mechanisms for providing liquidity for investors.  Many OAs have "dutch auctions" that make a market among existing investors, but this is probably going to be a bad deal for the LP needing the liquidity.  

If you have a larger raise Regulation A+ shares are freely tradeable under Title IV of The JOBS Act.  If you have a smaller raise I believe Title III shares will be tradeable too.  So a lot also depends on the size of your raise and where you're gathering your investors from.  If you wish to use some of the new exemptions you should try to find a securities attorney familiar with the new regulations that knows the laws in your state well.  If you IM me I can introduce you to Roland Wiederanders locally that can probably help you some with your deal.  

Thank you Bryan, I really appreciate your very valuable input,

Originally posted by @Anthony Chara:

I'll check with them to see if they're willing to share their calculation and get back to you.

 Thank you Anthony, I would really appreciate it. 

@Jon Holdman I can't thank you enough. This is really great stuff.

Originally posted by @Anthony Chara:

What @Jon Holdman said!  Your SEC attorney should help you with this wording. All of our investors know they can sell their ownership stake anytime they'd like, but they have to follow the guidelines set forth in the Operating Agreement. The OA gives them the entire process of how they need to info the Investment Group of their desire to sell, their target price and the fact that the Investment Group has the Right of First Refusal should they find someone outside the group that would like to purchase their ownership stake. Some of my students have even come up with a formula to buy-out the investors should they want out early and all of that is stipulated in the OA so there are no surprises down the road. 

Our investors are also told, just like Jon mentioned above, that they may not be able to find ready buyers for their ownership stake and they may have to stay in longer than they'd like too, until the entire investment 'matures'. If they're okay with that, they invest. If they're not, they don't invest.

 Thank you for providing me with your knowledge. You mentioned that your students have come up with a formula to buy-out the investors should they want out early. Could you please elaborate on that? I am assuming that you're referring to some sort of calculation in which you use the fair market value of their interests and feed into some sort of discount or premium to derive an exit value. I am probably wrong, but is there anyway you could expand on that concept? It sounds quite compelling. 

Originally posted by @Jon Holdman:

You should not make any promises to your investors about getting out.  In fact, you should state very explicitly that getting out before the partnership is wound down will be effectively impossible and that there will be no market for units in your investment.  

Investors with specific timelines may be better structured into the deal as loans rather than equity investments.

That said, you can probably put some language in that investors who want to sell units must offer them to the current investors with a right of first refusal.  That is, if someone wants out, and has found a buyer, they would have to offer the unit(s) to the existing partners at the same price.  You can also include language about how a value will be determined.  For a multi-family, that's pretty straightforward - do an appraisal.  Or several.  With the appraisal, the partnership's balance sheet, and the capital contribution of each investor, figuring out the value of their units is just math.

But, even with a way to determine value, you have to have a buyer.

The securities attorney you're working with to prepare the operating agreement, private placement memorandum, and the securities filing for your deal should be able to help with this wording.  If you don't have such an attorney you need to find one.  Selling securities is not a DIY project.

First of all, thank you Jon for taking the time to provide some input. 

How would you structure a loan for an investor assuming that they do have a 6-10 year timeline? Could you pay this investor the same preferred rate of return that all other equity investors are getting or does it have to be treated differently? Also, would this be allowed by loans that do not allow subordinate debt?

Under the appraisal method that you so kindly explained would I then simply buy them out of their partnership interest at the fair market value of their units? (Assuming I have the money to do so).