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All Forum Posts by: Clint W.

Clint W. has started 3 posts and replied 22 times.

Post: Utilizing Multiple Investors

Clint W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Justin Vasquez:

I'm young in the game, my mentor Christopher does it all; flipping, rentals, private/hardmoney lending (whichever distinction you choose to draw from those two i suppose).  I approached him with a similar concept and the advice he gave me was interesting. Figured i'd share it here and see what you choose.

Separate the money you borrow from the property. Rather than give them a percent of the final cost of the property, give them a nice percent on the money they invested upon selling the home. An example would be if they invested 20k to do repairs, after closing on the house, you would give them 15-20 percent of their investment; depending on your ARV/list price this will usually end up being much cheaper for you than offerring 3 percent or 5 percent on the sale price of the property. Most people would be happy to earn 20 percent on their investment and I would say thats a damn good ROI period. The contract he recommended was a simple promissory note which would have to be notarized of course.

-Justin

 Justin,

This sounds like a great idea that would work very well for a flip.  I will have to explore this idea, especially if we find a property to flip.

Post: Utilizing Multiple Investors

Clint W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Paul B.:

To the comments that someone investing 5% (or 50%) of the capital should get 5% (or 50%) of the profits, what if someone invests 100%? They get all the profits, and the person doing the work gets nothing? I suggest modifying the structure slightly. Maybe the people doing all the work get 20% equity, and the investors get 80%. That means someone putting up 50% of the capital ends up with 40% of the profits, in exchange for doing no work. 

I agree with the comments that syndication is normally a good route, but doesn't make sense for small properties. 

 Paul, 

Thanks!  I like what you are suggesting, and it makes great sense.  It is definitely something worth exploring more.

Cheers!

Post: Utilizing Multiple Investors

Clint W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Justin Vasquez:

In my scenario the  "hard money lender" are the friends and family you want to incorporate into your your financing. you can avoid paying a ridiculous monthly rate through negotiating your terms. rather than pay them like 16 percent every month on the money they invested; pay them 20 percent at closing. 

 Thanks.  This is an interesting idea that I will have to explore!

Post: Utilizing Multiple Investors

Clint W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12
Originally posted by @Ivan Barratt:

@Clint W. it sounds like you need quite a bit more education on creative real estate finance, equity vs debt, cost of capital, stacking capital, sources of capital, legal implications and the list goes on and on.  My suggestion: finds some books on creative finance, syndication (for bigger deal down the road but get the education now), go to a weekend seminar, rinse and repeat.  Avoid podcasts that don't take a deep dive on this stuff.  Pay the tuition (from a $10 book on audible to a 3k seminar).

All the best!

Ivan,

You are absolutely correct.  That is what I am currently trying to do.  Hence the questions.

Post: Utilizing Multiple Investors

Clint W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12

We are looking to avoid hard money lenders or other short term lenders.  Our intention is to inject our own resources (what we have left), add outside investors, and then add financing as required.  We want to avoid 10 people on a deed (if that is even possible).
We are butting up against our monetary limits and we are also getting to the point where banks tell us we have too many mortgages.

We aren't sure what our next step is or how we will accomplish it.  As we determine this, we are trying to decide how to raise the funds required.

Cheers!

Post: Utilizing Multiple Investors

Clint W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12

Christopher,

Hello. We are not flippers. We are looking at buy and hold or build and hold. We want to get away from SFR and move to MFH (2-4 plex or small apartments). I looked at syndication, but it seemed to be a expensive route to go for the smaller projects.

Are you familiar with syndication?  Is it a viable vehicle for small properties?

Cheers! 

Post: Utilizing Multiple Investors

Clint W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12

Hello all,

I have dug around for a bit, but I can't seem to find what I am looking for. 

My business partner and I have had a good run on joint purchases and solo purchases; however, we have reached the limits of our resources.  We are starting to accept that we can't expand much further without outside support.  We have had multiple friends and associates offer to help us with investments, but until now, we have stayed away from them.  We wanted to gain the experience and knowledge to be good stewards of their investments.


One of our biggest questions now, is how do we proceed?  We don't necessarily want loans with structured interest and returns.  We want to pursue an investment mentality.  You succeed if we succeed.  We have been discussing this, and what we think is that the returns are split via investment percentage (e.g. If you invest 5% you get 5% of the profits).  Does that make sense (it does to us)?   Is there a better way to involve people as investors?  What kind of contracts should we have?  How do we protect ourselves from retribution, if the investment is bad?

I'm not sure this is in the best forum, but I can always move it.

Cheers,

Clint

@Ebony Smith,

Welcome to the forum. The answer to your first question is going to be a pretty solid no. Unless you have a substantial amount of money for a down payment, banks are not going to want to talk to you as a business. If you have 20-25% to put towards a property, you will be able to finance the property and then quit claim it into an LLC. As for your second question, you may try some places like Fiverr or freelancer.com

Good luck!

Post: Multi-Home in Athens, GA

Clint W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12

So I was using developer and builder synonymously. We really just want a builder. I don't think we want to do another SFR, unless it is a smokin' deal. The midrise idea is well outside of our budget, but maybe we can find a way to partner and be investors in one...

We will continue to consider multifamily and keep our eyes open.

Post: Vegas or not to Vegas??

Clint W.Posted
  • Investor
  • Las Vegas, NV
  • Posts 22
  • Votes 12

I live in Vegas and have a couple SFRs here.  We have considered multi-family many times; however, we always walk away.  We do this for a couple reasons.

1) Property values are climbing faster than is realistic due to international (mainly Chinese) and California investors.

2) Mulit-family homes here tend to be in the C/D category for homes and just not worth the risk assumed (for us).

3) Elysian apartments have exploded all over the valley and I feel that the apartment market is going to become saturated very soon.

my $.02

Cheers