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All Forum Posts by: Chris Vaught

Chris Vaught has started 7 posts and replied 24 times.

Post: Painful First Flip Turned Flop. Any Advice??

Chris VaughtPosted
  • Investor
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 12

@Lisa Johnson, I think a good payment method is to layout a series of draws before the contractor gets started.  For instance, I recommend paying 10%-20% up front as a sort of deposit and down payment for the contractor to get started.  Then I would pay in probably 20% increments after that.  You should coordinate this with the contractor ahead of time and make sure it jives with the scope of work.  For instance, I think it would be useful to say the contractor should complete x, y, and z, to qualify for a 20% draw, once he completes 1, 2, and 3, he gets another 20%.  Make sure you agree on the price of each draw as it comes out so that you don't have surprise overages at the end - that's what got me in trouble.

As for insurance, I probably wouldn't get on a policy with a contractor.  I got a vacant home policy.  It's expensive and you won't be able to find any old insurance agent to carry it.

Post: flipping in a down market

Chris VaughtPosted
  • Investor
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 12

Jason,

From my understanding, the last recession had a huge impact on some of the flippers here on BP.  For some, they realized they were being a little too careless when the market was hot and relying solely on appreciation - they realized they needed to sharpen their pencils a little more to ensure their numbers were on point.

Other people who are really good flippers here really got their start during the recession. Lots of houses at very low prices. Sellers understand slow markets mean not many offers, so they jump at any offer that comes through. While not many people can find quality deals on the MLS now, I understand they were almost plentiful during the recession.

While the numbers will be slower, there will still be people that need to move for various reasons and if you buy at the right price and sell at the right price to beat the competition, you can still do it.

Post: Nj hard money loan for first flip

Chris VaughtPosted
  • Investor
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 12

In Virginia, we can do it online at our Commonwealth Office of the Clerk for $50. It takes 5 minutes. But to take further steps not to pierce the veil, you'll also need an EIN, which is free, and a trip to the bank to set up a company account. This assumes you are the sole member of the LLC. If there are multiple members, there are a few more steps involved and a lot more due diligence.

Post: Changing my Marketing Strategy

Chris VaughtPosted
  • Investor
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 12

Fair enough @Rick H. Thanks for the tip!

Post: Looking to Partner UP on a Multifamily...

Chris VaughtPosted
  • Investor
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 12

@Glenn Tucker, I'm definitely looking to partner on something.  I've been on the flipping side of RE and would probably add the most value if there was an underutilized MF that had a great potential for value add.  I'll send you a PM.

Post: Changing my Marketing Strategy

Chris VaughtPosted
  • Investor
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 12

I'm not a marketing aficionado and I really like reading posts from the people that are, so I look forward to your tips and advice on this one.  We read all the time that real estate is about relationships, and it's easy to see that the best run businesses, both from the Pros here on BP, from the best RE companies nationwide, and really any business, are the ones with the best networks.

With that in mind, I'm going to stop marketing to look for deals and start marketing to build relationships.  As some have said, real estate is sometimes a lonely world, and having relationships with people in all facets of the business not only help make it sustainable, but also more enjoyable.

So, how to build relationships - that's kind of a tricky question.

-Attend REIA meetings

-Contribute on BP

-Talk to people about RE

-Add value to people's lives

All of these things have been talked about before, but I still see marketing posts geared solely towards finding deals and I'm believing that that's only half the battle.  Deals can build relationships, but relationships will bring you deals.

Despite all the successes I've heard about with direct mail, I've never fully bought into it.  I've read a lot of posts about building relationships with probate leads, but not nearly as much with absentee owners.  Either way, with as much direct mail as some owners get from us these days, it seems important to come across as someone who is trustworthy enough to work with - another relationship.  I think my uneasiness about direct mail is how to prove I can be trusted while blindly yelling I want to buy your house!

I find it fascinating when I read posts from folks on here who don't send any mail and get all or most of their deals by word of mouth.  It's really a goal of mine.

So at the end of this post, I guess this is more of a discussion post than a question post.  There are tons of posts talking about ways to market (ie direct mail, bandit signs, Craigslist, auctions, etc, etc) and I'm not really looking to build on those posts.  I'd love to hear from people smarter than me about any kinks in my logic regarding building a solid network and direct mail, and also about other marketing strategies that encourage correspondence that lasts longer than I want to buy your house.

Post: Nj hard money loan for first flip

Chris VaughtPosted
  • Investor
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 12

Dave,

There is a lot of advice on both sides of the fence about whether setting up an LLC is best for you or not. I do have an LLC - knock on wood, I have never had to utilize my limited liability - but a lot of people say it's an unnecessary waste of time and money. I know a lot of the huge hard money companies require an LLC, but a lot of local lenders around here do not. I don't know how much of a hassle it is to set up an LLC in NJ, but if you want to avoid it, see if you can find a local HML that doesn't require it, then read up on the advice on the blogs and forums about why some people think LLC's are not helpful.

Good luck!

Post: Ups and downs of my first flip

Chris VaughtPosted
  • Investor
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 12

What's up guys. I'm here to post a delayed recap of my first flip - delayed by 2 years! Once it was done, I needed to catch my breath and a cooling down period turned into a 2 year hiatus, a move from Richmond, Va to Virginia Beach, Va, and lots of time to think. After all that, I've returned to the investing world rejuvenated and ready to put new ideas, strategies, and systems I've learned since then into action.

Unfortunately, I put all my pictures away and can't seem to find them, so I don't have any visuals, which is a little disappointing, but here are the rough numbers followed by a pretty good overview of how things went:

House Purchase: $75,000

Rehab Costs: $63,500

Holding Costs: $32,000

Sell Price: $182,500

Profit: $12,000

I found this house driving through a neighborhood I had been pretty familiar with for a while. I sent several letters to houses that looked to be in distress, including this house, which had been in repair mode for quite some time. When the owner first called me, he said some of the things that had been going wrong in the property, and using that knowledge, I gave a ballpark figure of what I thought I would be able to offer. He balked, and I said "I understand, have a great day and let me know if you end up changing your mind." Two weeks later, he did change his mind and called me back.

When I went to visit the house, there was a lot more going on that the seller originally let on. I told him that I would have to adjust my numbers to $70,000. He said they needed $73,000 to cover their remaining mortgage, and I asked him if it would be ok if I brought my contractor by to take a look so I could get a more accurate estimate of the construction costs. Sure enough, I was able to come up $5,000 to give the seller a little bit more than he was asking, and we had a deal.

As a little background, I had previously gone through 2 or 3 other houses with contractors that were disasters, so I had developed a pretty good idea of what rehab costs were going to look like. I was pretty happy with myself that my estimate was pretty close to the contractor's.

I used a hard money lender to finance the deal, he paid $131,000 for purchase and rehab, and my brother and I split the remaining costs.

I had met the contractor I used through a recommendation and had walked through another property before this one to get a sense of how he priced certain items. He flips houses himself, so I was comfortable that he knew what he was doing. As we walked through this property, we bounced ideas off of each other and came to an understanding on what the house would look like, and I made the classic rookie mistake of not writing out a detailed scope of work.

The house itself was a split level house a little over 2000sf. It was in disrepair because a car fire in the driveway spread to the carport, which spread to the attic. Luckily, firefighters were able to put out the fire quickly, but as water was being sprayed on the attic, it fell onto the floors below and damaged pretty much everything. The owner had been working with his insurance company to put the house back together, but he was unhappy with the contractor he was working with and was ready to be done with the house and move on. The entire house was down to the studs - the kitchen was bare, bathrooms were bare, the only thing left was the plumbing. Half of the house was brick, which was able to stay, but the other half was siding which needed to be replaced and the roof needed to be replaced as well. The fire happened in November 2013, the seller and I started negotiating in June 2014.

So, we closed on the house in early July. The estimate was $56,000 and the timeline was 2 months, so I was hoping to have the project done and on the market by early September. Throughout the project, I loved watching the progress - I visited the house several times a week. Watching the house come back to life was as great as I was expecting it would be and is why I wanted to flip in the first place. I asked the contractor a handful of times how he was on budget; he assured me he was in good shape. He asked for one draw about midway through, and nothing else until he was done.

That's when he dropped the bomb that he was $7,500 over budget. Needless to say, I was not happy. If I had forced him to keep me up to date earlier, there were certainly things we could have cut that would have gotten us closer to budget. I certainly don't think he was out to screw me over, but I also don't think he did as much due diligence on the quote as he should have. Because he flipped houses himself, I think he was used to spending what he wanted on the repairs, and wasn't used to working on a client's budget instead of his own. It was up to me to make sure my scope was better developed and in the future, I will make sure written budget updates are provided at regular intervals to make sure there are no surprises.

Additionally, the project finished a month behind schedule, so we weren't ready to go to market until October. At this time, I was very anxious because allowing for a closing period, I knew we were starting to get close to closings near Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year, etc, and I really wanted to be out of the house before buyers got caught up in the holidays.

For that reason, I priced the house fairly low, accepted the first offer, and paid more in closing costs than I wanted to make sure the buyer didn't back out - I had it under contract in 4 days.

So, things to improve next time:

-Create a more detailed scope of work.

-Get written feedback from the contractor at regular intervals to ensure project stays on budget.

-Stay patient when selling the house to ensure I get a good value for the product. I'm not a guy that's going to be so stuck on my selling number I'll let the house sit forever, but I'm sure I could have gotten a better deal on the back side if I was more patient.

-I blew the closing costs on the sell end. It's so normal for sellers to pay the buyer's closing costs, and I underestimated the closing costs on that end.

So, things I did well:

-My numbers were good. I did underestimate closing costs, but I did have them included. Even though my contractor was over and I let it go for less than I expected, I included everything I needed to include and if I had taken a better approach to keep the contractor in line, I would have been on point.

-I stuck to my number when the seller initially said it wouldn't work.

-I helped someone who was in a bad situation get out from under a problem house.

-I renovated a house that improved the quality of the neighborhood and increased home values.

-I made money!

Now, after 2 years away, I'm so excited to get back into more flips down in Hampton Roads and Virginia Beach and hope this becomes a full time venture.

Thoughts? Questions? I'm open to constructive criticism as well, but only if you pass on helpful advice you've gotten as feedback from one of your mistakes as well so we're sharing as much information as possible!

Post: Looking for Attorney and Accountant in Richmond, Va

Chris VaughtPosted
  • Investor
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 12

Hey Don,

I just moved from Midlothian - I used Sonny Hughes in Alverser Plaza as an attorney for both my personal house and a flip I did.  For a CPA, I recommend Perry Bays at Adams, Jenkins, and Cheatham.  I used him also for personal and RE investments - he invests in RE as well and can help you set up whatever you're looking for.   Good luck to you.

Chris

Post: Investor friendly law office Richmond Virginia

Chris VaughtPosted
  • Investor
  • Roanoke, VA
  • Posts 24
  • Votes 12

Clay,

I used Sonny Hughes for my flip in Richmond and also to buy a personal house in Richmond.  He was very helpful and had some helpful tips and things to look out for when I worked with him.  Best of luck to you!

Chris