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All Forum Posts by: Craig Dieterich

Craig Dieterich has started 13 posts and replied 39 times.

Post: First purchase...Did I screw up?

Craig DieterichPosted
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Originally posted by @Caleb Heimsoth:

@Craig Dieterich you say it was rehabbed, does that include the roof and plumbing and all that? When was it built? For example, your roof goes out, that’ll cost you 5k. That’s around 6 months of rent.

What if your tenant leaves? It’ll cost you 2k or more to rerent it. That’s 2-3 months rent. Anything major eats up months of rent because your rent is so low.

@caleb Heimsoth   The condition was explained. Yes, brand new everything including a roof, water heater, etc. There will not be any maintenance expenses for quite some time. Also, I paid cash for this, so even if it's vacant for a month, I'm not losing money by needing to pay a mortgage without tenants in place. Anyway, this thread got a bit off topic. My point of creating this thread was concerns about taxes with no write offs due to being a cash purchase and trying to find ways to save on taxes or other creative ways to find write offs, etc. What are the pros and cons of buying with cash vs loan? I think I need to contact a CPA that specializes in Investment properties as advised by some of the other members.

Post: First purchase...Did I screw up?

Craig DieterichPosted
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Originally posted by @Matt M.:

@Craig Dieterich

Taxes, water, management, and insurance is only $2800/year? And $450/month rent per unit? There’s some cheap areas here in Pa, but I haven’t heard of $450 rent in years. I’d keep it until you pay yourself back from rents, then dump it. Especially not being in the area.

 @Matt M.  Why would I spend 5 years paying myself back, then dump it without ever benefitting from the passive income it will generate? Also, this property is not in PA. And $450 for a 1/1 side of a duplex is not expensive.

So much conflicting advice here! LOL

Post: First purchase...Did I screw up?

Craig DieterichPosted
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Originally posted by @Caleb Heimsoth:

@Craig Dieterich how much over appraisal value are we talking here?

My cheapest ever property I paid 25k for and it too was a duplex, that rented for 820 a month (total), so very similar to you.

What I learned and what you’ll learn too, is maintenance will kill you. It’ll eat all your rent. You’ll still cash flow some, but the return doesn’t justify the risk, given these are in bad areas. Mine was in a terrible area. I sold a year later for 38k (with no rehab) and had no major maintenance issues while I owned it, so my total return was quite good.

If you own this long term I am fairly confident in saying you’ll make no money, because you’re a long distance owner, and managing these types of properties is best left to locals



@caleb Heimsoth My concern is with taxes on my profits. You seem to be the only one here who thinks this is a bad investment, and I'm very curious as to why. I paid $35k for it. (It was appraised at $31k). It is fully rehabbed with brand new everything. There should not be any maintenance for a long time. I factored in a local PM at 10% which is only $90/mo.

If I net $7k/year after expenses, then it pays for itself in 5 years and everything after that is passive income for the entire time I own it. I'm not concerned with appreciation of the property. Please explain where you're coming from. What am I missing? Thanks

Post: First purchase...Did I screw up?

Craig DieterichPosted
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Originally posted by @Blaine Alger:

From first glance, the numbers look killer.

I would not worry about getting screwed on taxes because you still have the 27.5 yrs of deprecation to factor in. (I would go find a good RE accountant).

what is the 27.5 yrs of depreciation to factor in?

Also, for others concerned about the property condition. It was rehabbed (new windows, new roof, new floors, new water heater. The whole thing is only 850 sqft. It's build out of brick and has no HVAC system to worry about. Just wall heater/AC units which are also new) and I had an inspection done. He found 5 minor issues and the seller corrected them. This property should not have any maintenance costs for awhile. Another good thing is one of the tenants is a disabled veteran, so his income is guaranteed. 

Post: First purchase...Did I screw up?

Craig DieterichPosted
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No upgrades needed. It's totally turnkey and will not need anything for awhile. This property is not likely to appreciate much. That's not why I bought it. I bought it to have passive income.

Post: First purchase...Did I screw up?

Craig DieterichPosted
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I found a small, fully remodeled duplex for $35k in a depressed area of South Carolina with good renters in place bringing in $900/mo in rent, but it had to be a cash deal because it was slightly over appraised price and I also could not find any lender willing to lend that small amount. It will bring in $10,800 in annual rent, but after all expenses (property tax, management, water, and insurance) it will net about $8000 annually. Am I going to get screwed on taxes because I don't have anything to write off (loan interest)? Was it wrong to pay cash for this? What should I have done different? I live in California, so am I going to have to pay South Carolina income tax as well as CA? Is there anything else I didn't think of?

How about using the equity in the home I own to finance this deal with a heloc? what are the pros and cons with this?

Originally posted by @Nick Robinson:

@Craig Dieterich

Is this property in a really rough area or rural area?  What are the numbers for this duplex?

The numbers are it's $50k, renovated and rents for a total of $900/mo, and in an area where finding renters isn't a problem. Yes, the needle in the haystack. Anyhow, my question is about how to finance a low amount when lenders aren't interested in lending small amounts.

Originally posted by @Christene Martin:

Hi Craig, In what state is this located?

South Carolina

I found a turn key duplex for $50k with renters in place bringing in $900/mo. I pre qualified for a loan up to $300k for an investment property at 4.875% with 25% down. My problem is that $50k minus 25% down is only $37,500 and I can't find a lender who will lend that little. I have enough to pay cash, but that will deplete monies that could go toward more investment properties. What are my options?