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All Forum Posts by: Cory Lader

Cory Lader has started 6 posts and replied 33 times.

Post: Would you settle?

Cory Lader
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Quote from @Ryan Leonard:

I think, in general, unless you're an extremely high W2 earner just looking to get into real estate for tax purposes, buying for cash flow gives you the durability to weather market fluctuations as you're never in a position where your back is against the wall and you need to sell... unless you have debt coming due.

Now, that being said, if the true cash flow, after allocating for all expenses, vacancy, maintenance, capex, etc. is in the black, then I think taking a 5% CoC return in an appreciating market isn't a bad move, especially if there is a component of value-add.


Great point. I'm in that position, and I'm here to generate cash flow to sustain continual growth over time. If it's not cash-flowing, it's not for me at this point and stage of my life.

Post: Would you settle?

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Quote from @Dave Meyer:

Agree with everyone saying that it's hard to tell, but I'd just say that 5-10% CoCR is not 'settling' IMO. Depending on the neighborhood, condition of the property, etc. I am comfortable in that range personally. 


THE Daveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Meyer!? I love On The Market!

This open-ended question stems from something I've been struggling with lately. Pre-pandemic, I was conservatively underwriting my deals to achieve a 15% CoC return. I wasn't underwriting for equity because I felt that was icing on the cake. Recently, with the spike in rates and prices, it's been nearly impossible to find 15% CoC, but I have been able to find lower returns at 5-10%. This made me feel as if I was settling, but it put me on the sidelines. I was just prodding to see how other people assess their returns in the current market.

I hope that makes sense.

Post: Would you settle?

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Quote from @Russell Brazil:

I have properties that have a negative CoC. But my IRR is very attractive. What it matter if I lose $200-300 a month when my property value is going up $25-40k per year.


 Thanks for the input! I love this perspective!

Post: Would you settle?

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Quote from @Samuel Diouf:

If the deal has a 5% COC return but will also appreciate 5%.. the total return on cash invested would be around 30% the first year with a 20% down payment.


 this is a great point! Thanks for the input

Post: Would you settle?

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Quote from @Dan H.:
Quote from @Jonathan Greene:

No one can answer that because there are no details, and we have no idea if you really know what an appreciating market is. A lot of new investors are told the cash flow is low, but the appreciation is high (in a stagnant market) and they believe it. Toss in some more details.


I will add that a lot of new investors, and some not so new investors, under allocate expenses. Most COC estimates are $hit. I am not beeping harsh as she requested additional eyes which was good and she was receptive to inputs… I consulted on one today that had 95% LTV OO but no PMI, 2% vacancy as self managed including delinquent rent and tenant turnover, a maintenance/cap ex that was based on percentage but was a quad and her allocation was ~50% of my estimate, and no PM even though she intends to move away in a year or so.

If I could get 5% to 10% COC at high LTV with my underwriting in a market I considered likely to have strong appreciation, I would consider acquisition if it was rent ready. If I need to value add, I will expect better for my efforts.

Good luck


 That's a great point. Everyone underwrites in their own way, which makes this question difficult to answer sometimes. Your second paragraph hits the nail on the head, though. If you underwrote the deal according to your methodology and it netted 5-10%, you'd pull the trigger if the level of risk you're taking to achieve that result is within what you're comfortable with. Thank you for your opinion.

Post: Would you settle?

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Quote from @Jaron Walling:

Depends on how much capital you're trapping to generate that return. 

In our market that's solid base hit given the higher rates and lack of supply. 98% of the houses I see negative cash-flow without creative opportunities (MTR, STR, rent-by-room) or BRRRR.


I'm seeing the same thing and wondering if others view this as a base hit in today's market as well.

Post: Would you settle?

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I should have specified 5-10% CoC ROI on a single-family or small multifamily (2-4 units) property. The intent is to see if people have lowered their expectations for returns based on the current market. I have been able to find 5-10% CoC ROI on these assets in some states but it just feels wrong lowering my standards (15% CoC ROI). I'm wondering if others are doing the same. There is no right or wrong answer here or deal to analyze; I'm just fishing for investor sentiment regarding desired returns in a challenging market.

If you found a deal with strict underwriting that netted 5-10% in an appreciating market, would you be interested in it? Why or why not?

To keep things simple, I'm not accounting for the cost of capital (that is very personal and varies for everyone) and I'm not considering other exit strategies. If it works as a traditional rental, everything else is gravy on top.

Post: Would you settle?

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Hey BP! I'm wondering what you all think about this question.

Would you settle for 5-10% CoC ROI in this high interest rate environment if the asset was located in an appreciating market?

Post: Title Agency In Murrieta, Ca

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Im quickly learning that escrow seems to be the more important player in this. Never realized that Cali was an escrow state!

Post: Title Agency In Murrieta, Ca

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Hey BP fam, I have a sub-to-seller finance hybrid deal that I'm looking to dispo in Murrieta, Ca. Does anyone have a title company that they'd recommend out that way?