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All Forum Posts by: Corey Meyer

Corey Meyer has started 22 posts and replied 66 times.

Investment Info:

Other buy & hold investment in Big Sky.

Purchase price: $189,000
Cash invested: $5,000

Innsbruck 1974

I purchased this 440 sq/ft studio in February 2020 as an investment property for the vacation rental market of Big Sky, Montana. This place is a true time-capsule, with all furnishings and appliances dating to the mid-1970s. In January of 2020, the New York Times ranked Big Sky, Montana the second-best place for winter vacation rental investments in the United States behind Killington, Vermont.

I have had my eye on this neighborhood of Big Sky for a few years now and was ecstatic when my offer to purchase this property was accepted. I have owned rentals in the Big Sky vacation rental market for the last four years and have had unprecedented success with renting on Airbnb.

Big Sky is composed of three small villages roughly separated by 9 miles from the Canyon to the Mountain Village. My first investment property is in the Meadow Village of Big Sky (where most of the local citizens live). It does well year-round as many activities are supported from this location from fly-fishing and Yellowstone National Park tours in the summer to skiing Big Sky Resort and cross country ski trails in the winter. However, it is still 6 miles away from Big Sky Resort and many people want to stay as close to the ski lifts as possible during the winter season.

This property, showcasing a jaw-dropping Lone Peak view, is one of the best locations for access to skiing Big Sky Resort and was priced within my budget.

My real estate agent/business partner sent me the listing the day it went on the MLS, at the time I was on a 12-hour bus ride heading due north out of Dehli, India bound for the remote western Himalayas. I already knew what I was looking for, I knew the numbers, as I manage several Airbnbs in this location and after looking through the photos I called my agent to put in a full price offer.

I arrived in the small town of Kasol, India with an altered mindset. I had planned on going full unplugged as I took to a mountain trek hiking from village to village through the Himalaya for the next 4 days. I had to change my plans a bit and found the only cafe in town with Wifi. Stereotype to the T, here comes the American to a very far off remote land and what is the first thing he asks for? Wifi!! Haha, I learned that the seller had accepted my full-price offer and I had to do a little bit of computer work. Navigating my second real estate investment purchase, sight unseen, from the remote western Himalayas was a unique experience. Although it did affect my "full immersion" into the culture I was within, it was really neat knowing that I could conduct business on the home-front from one of the most remote places on Earth.

The locals at the cafe were always appreciative of my business and were glad they had wifi to offer me. Upon return to the United States, I entered the property for the first time, 10 days after I had put my offer in.

I had put a full price offer without financing and my next hurdle would be getting financed. I had been globe-trotting for the previous three months and didn't have a steady job or wonderful bank statements to show the bank. I became nervous as I sat down with multiple loan officers who looked at me and said sorry we can't help you out. I had to make this deal come to fruition!

I began to reach out to a few people to partner on the deal, however, my mentor advised that if I could go alone, I should. It was in my reach to do so.

I had to extend the buy/sell as I still didn't have financing in place for the set close.

Finally, I found a local banker who offered a portfolio loan at 5% interest, but I had to bring 35% down. I came up with the money, shook hands and closed the deal!

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I have my hand in the STR cookie jar of Big Sky and had been waiting for a cookie-cutter investment deal similar to the property I already have.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

I was on a 12-hour bus ride from Dehli, India to Kasol in the Himalayas when my agent at home in Montana emailed me the MLS listing. I scrolled through the photos and emailed her back that I was very interested. The next day she went into the unit and sent a video via fb messenger, walking through and talking about everything in the unit. I put then executed a full price offer within 24 hours of the property being listed on the MLS. The owner accepted as I arrived to the Himalaya.

How did you finance this deal?

This was the most difficult part of the deal. I put an offer in without pre-approved financing and the seller had accepted. I had been traveling for three months and my bank statements had only been drawing funds with little inflow. Bank after bank turned me away. I was nearing close without financing and had to extend the deal as I kept on the hunt. Finally, with help from a mentor, I found a local portfolio lender willing to finance the deal.

How did you add value to the deal?

As an STR investment, it was crucial that I get the property listed as quickly as possible. We were in the middle of the busy season with the ski resort running at full speed. I called up a few buddies who were able to help with the 10-day mini-renovation. We painted the unit, made some upgrades and then were out!

What was the outcome?

Guests arrived within 10 days after close and the unit had over $3,000 in bookings within the first week on Airbnb. Then Covid-19 hit, the ski resort closed and everything flatlined. Now I sit and wait. Hopefully, I have the cash to weather this storm.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

The Covid-19 crisis hit two weeks after the purchase of this property. Time will tell what this brings.

Post: Best option for mobile home on private land?

Corey MeyerPosted
  • Investor
  • Big Sky, MT
  • Posts 66
  • Votes 28

I live in a town that has a large number of mobile homes on city lots very close to an iconic/touristy western main street. It is a small town about an hour away from a larger affluent/growing community; Bozeman, Montana.  I would deem it a frontier town as there are still dirt streets pretty much right in town.  I believe this place will soon gentrify as Bozeman continues to grow and families are pushed onto its fringe communities like where I live in Ennis, Montana. 

The amount of mobile homes on city lots is astounding here.  There are a couple mobile home parks but I don't know much about them. Overall, this is an aging community and the majority of these mobile homes are owned by seniors.  My question is what is the best strategy for investing in mobile homes on private lots?

My "Big Picture" idea is to buy up these mobile homes on city lots and sit on them.  Get quality tenants in and get them cash flowing as quickly as possible.  As the town appreciates in value and gentrification takes place, at some point these city lots very close to the main street will become too valuable for a mobile home.  At this point, maybe five years down the road, I move these mobile homes to a Mobile Home Park I have since acquired and either build a single-family home on the lot and rent/sell or sell the lot with no structure standing on it. 

My concerns are:

1) Renter mentality versus owner mentality -  I understand that finding quality renters for a mobile home can be difficult and I really like that selling provides the buyer with a owner's mentality and pride of ownership.  The fact that all maintenace related items within the mobile home are on the occupant is very appealing. Thus why owning a mobile home park with owner-occupied mobile homes is coveted.  However, I don't have the budget right now to buy a mobile home park.  

2)  The lack of power of scale - My other concern is having 2,3,4 of these investments and running around with my head chopped off in terms of management as they are scattered willy-nilly throughout this small town, each investment needing yard maintenance and mobile home maintenance, that's a fair amount of management and TIME.  

Maybe I sell/finance the mobile home to a potential buyer on a lot and have them pay a lot fee?  They don't own the land but they own their mobile home?  I collect rents off the city lot...  At some point, I have to get them to move their mobile home off my lot?  At which time I have acquired a mobile home park and can advise them to move their mobile home there?

Or do I just fix up the mobile home nice, put a little extra cash into it and find quality tenants to rent?  All of these properties have very nice yards, I could make these lots with mobile homes very nice.  It is just figuring out how much time and management I want to put in versus return on investment.  

Thoughts?







Post: Cash out refi to sit on cash?

Corey MeyerPosted
  • Investor
  • Big Sky, MT
  • Posts 66
  • Votes 28

@Isaac Hebron

I’m at 5 as well on investment property loan.

Post: Am I paying too much for cleaning?

Corey MeyerPosted
  • Investor
  • Big Sky, MT
  • Posts 66
  • Votes 28

@Andrea Cole

I’m in a ski town out West but the prices you are seeing are comparable. I am paying $75 for cleaning a 1 bedroom and $125 for cleaning a two bedroom / 2 bath Airbnb condo.

@Account Closed 

I couldn't tag you for some reason in the post above!

@Mike M.

Thanks for your knowledge on the subject. I will continue to pursue seller financing with this deal and believe a Wrap-a-round Mortgage may be the best option.  I do like that that owners would like to become the tenants and believe setting up a mortgage servicer safeguards the original mortgage by ensuring it is getting paid. 

I am totally fine with the Due on Sales Clause, I like a little risk sprinkled into my deals, it makes me feel alive haha!

 In this situation, since the seller becomes the tenants in the wrap-around mortgage would I collect rents from the seller and pay the mortgage servicer.  Most likely I will need to pay a little more than what I collect from the tenant which is the seller?  This is the difficult part, since I would likely compromise on a higher interest rate mortgage than the sellers original to benefit them on going in on the creative financing deal.  To off-set this rate hike, I would raise the rent on the tenants I place in the unit. However, the tenant will be the seller....?  

Any thoughts on what you might do?

Final question and I thank you again, Mike, for your expertise on the subject!!!  How long would you set up terms for a wrap-around-mortgage?  

@Jack B.

Yes, this is awesome!

Post: Seasonal Vacation Rentals & 28% Management Fees

Corey MeyerPosted
  • Investor
  • Big Sky, MT
  • Posts 66
  • Votes 28

@Brian Tustin

I run a Vacation Rental Management Company in Big Sky, Montana and charge a 30% commission on full operation of STR services.

Personally I would hunt out a local management company over a larger corporate enterprise like Vacasa. But that’s just me wanting to support the local guys versus big national brands.

@Account Closed  Thanks for the response. Roger on the "Don't EVER"  

Let's play hypathetical:

I take out a mortgage with the seller (they become the bank)  for a set time period.  I pay them a monthly mortgage.  They then pay a monthly mortgage to their bank.  Once my terms are up with the seller I then buy out their mortgage either with cash or with a bank I find that is willing to finance the deal.  

What happens in the event that during my contract with the seller, the seller for some reason defaults on their mortgage to the bank?  Let's say they are funneling the money I am paying monthly to them for some alternative cause or need.  Their bank forecloses on them, do I lose out?   If I put 20% down initially and paid a monthly mortgage for multiple years and then the seller defaults on their personal mortgage on the property, what happens? 

Perhaps this would be a clause written by my attorney, that in the event that this should happen, I get what? The bank the seller has the mortgage with really has nothing to do with me, and they aren't likely going to care if I paid the seller x-amount of dollars for the house if they never were getting paid.  They will cease the house and I will be out of luck...?

Corey


Post: Interest rate of 5.75% on investment property???

Corey MeyerPosted
  • Investor
  • Big Sky, MT
  • Posts 66
  • Votes 28

@Mo Muigai

I am closing on my first investment property next Friday with an interest rate of 5% on a commercial loan. I am putting 35% down.