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All Forum Posts by: Scott Skinger

Scott Skinger has started 4 posts and replied 202 times.

Post: Reserves required for financing

Scott SkingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Barrington, IL
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 309

@Andrew Johnson and @Kevin Romines great info! It is good to hear all of these options and get the mind rolling.

Not trying to hijack this thread but I have a few questions that relate to the OP and (I think) belong in this thread. 

1. I'm looking at apartment buildings. Ideally, something 25-100 units. These loans will be over $1MM and from my research and talking to banks/brokers qualify for a Freddie, which seem to be the best terms on commercial (4.5%, 30 year amort, 10 year balloon, non-recourse). Community banks can't seem to touch this. Any disagreement or other thoughts to consider?

2. I'm also considering purchasing several smaller sized apartments in the local area (say 6-10 buildings, 8-12 units each, 60 to 100 units total) and self managing with another GM partner who would handle the R&M/contractors. One seller owns 3 buildings, individually less than $1MM, collectively I would offer around $1.3MM for the three buildings. Any thoughts on how to best finance? Would a bank broker be able to package these together?

3. Continuing the same example from #2, the remaining buildings are owned by all different sellers, half go for over $500K, half under $500K, any thoughts on best way to finance? Would these be individual loans or some way to package together? In my head and the way I will operate it, this will be a separate business that I will run with a local partner. He would receive a cut of equity to manage the R&M operations of all of these buildings.

After typing all of this out I realized that I'm asking a lot of questions for one forum post...sorry! If you can help out with just one piece of info from the questions above, that would be great! Thanks in advance.

Post: Michael Blank's Multifamily Course??

Scott SkingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Barrington, IL
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 309

One caveat to my post, I wouldn't spend the $ on a course before I really knew what I was getting into, I would read, listen and talk to people to get a better feeling first and see if the fire is still burning inside after a month of grinding. I KNOW I want to be in apartment syndication, now it is worth it to me to spend $ on smart investments to speed up the process, make connections, etc.

I also agree with @Kyle Jean, I think talking to CCIMs, property managers and other professionals IS important, I just think this should be done in addition to a more detailed training.

Post: Michael Blank's Multifamily Course??

Scott SkingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Barrington, IL
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 309

@Sam Epperson I've been consuming Michael Blank's content for about 60 days now...,it is extremely helpful. It sounds like you have been educating yourself but I'm not sure how much of Michael Blank's content you have consumed. Here is my approach and thoughts:

-I've listened to 80% of his podcasts. There is a ton of content within every podcast. Additionally, you can review the show notes for my content and also follow up with a lot of his guests. I've only reached out to a couple so far, but the community has been extremely helpful

-I purchased his Syndicated Deal Analyzer (SDA). I've been using it for about 45 days. It is top notch and the only tool I use unless I need to do a really quick analysis on a small property. With the SDA you have access to about 30 of his past webinars where he analyzes the OM and walks through the SDA process. These are roughly 30-60 minutes each and include Q&A (live when first done)

-I joined his mastermind group for $9 (I think it was) for the first month, $49/month after, no commitment...very active and lots of information

-I've watched a lot of the short videos on his site that cover specific topics that I have questions on.

-I have reviewed the outline of his course and I feel like it is exactly what I'm looking for...specific details on the nuances of apartment syndication investing. There are a lot of things that I think you/we will have a hard time finding on BP or elsewhere. There are even more that we things to learn that we wouldn't even think about. 

Overall, experience is the best teacher but I think education like this makes sense to speed up the process and learn from others. So far I have spent about $150 with Michael Blank and I feel like I have received thousands of $ of value (way more information and value than you would get from a week long conference, for example). 

I'm literally buying his course today. They offer a discount/credit if you have already purchased the SDA since that is included in the price. I just received that link and I'm going to buy it. I plan on watching it over the next week, I would be happy to share my specific thoughts on the course, just let me know.

Scott 

Post: Best Multi-Family Syndication Coaches

Scott SkingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Barrington, IL
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 309

@James E. For sure, I would love to meet up. I will be at the BP meetup in the Denver HQ on Thursday and at the networking event Friday night. We can meet up at either of these or I'm sure that I will be looking for something to do Thursday or Friday night after these events. If all else fails there is a Led Zeppelin tribute band playing somewhere in Denver one of those nights too. ;)

Post: Best Multi-Family Syndication Coaches

Scott SkingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Barrington, IL
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 309

Sounds good, look forward to meeting. One I forgot to mention is @Gino Barbaro from www.jakeandgino.com . I just started listening to their podcast, the first two episodes have been super practical.

For example, last night I was driving to a REIA and stressing about a property that I'm considering that is a couple of hours away in a small market. It is a good deal but I wasn't sure about a property management company and it is a 50 unit building. In the show wrap up, Gino was listing his "learnings" from the show, one specifically was, "Don't start analyzing properties in a market until you have your team, especially a property manager." Problem solved, I shouldn't even be wasting my time on properties here until I have analyzed the market better and have my team thought out. Probably obvious to the veterans around here but there are a thousand "little things" like that I just haven't thought about yet because of lack of experience.

Also, have their book. It is next up on my reading list. They have a course and mentor group as well. I looked at it briefly last night and it looks very promising.

Post: Best Multi-Family Syndication Coaches

Scott SkingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Barrington, IL
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 309

Hi Kyle,

I have similar goals to you, just starting as a REI, going head first into multi-family and looking to learn as much as I possibly can in a condensed manner. I would rather pay to learn from an expert in 3 months what will take me a year(s) to learn on my own.

Here's where I'm at:

Michael Blank - I have listened to almost everyone of his podcasts, short, to the point, full of great information. Months of learning on his site alone with a minimal investment. His spreadsheet is worth the $100 and his mastermind program is well worth it as well. I'm considering his course, just bogged down with other content right now. He has a deal desk program and coaching by the hour, something like $350/hour for a phone call.

Old Capital Podcast - Just starting to listen, like it a lot.

Joe Fairless - great podcast but have not listened to regularly yet. Spoke with him on the phone yesterday regarding syndication, great guy, smart guy, somebody that you definitely want to know. He has a mentor program you should check out. Has a REI conference in a few weeks in Denver, I will be there.

http://thinkmultifamily.com/ - have not researched yet

Brad Sumrok https://www.bradsumrok.com/ - people seem to be happy with this program, have not researched it yet, I see http://www.oldcapitalpodcast.com/podcasts/episode-... and https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/79/topics/149... now that I did a quick search.

Also spoke with @Brian Burke's Praxis group. I'm very interested in investing with them but I don't think they have a mentor program.

@Kyle Kovats I would love to sync up and share notes. Unfortunately, I can't make the Vegas conference next week (btw, I just looked it up and Brad Sumrok mentioned above is speaking...you should definitely sync up with him). Any chance you're going to Joe Fairless' conference in Denver?

Good Luck!

Post: Syndication investing: own as individual or through family trust?

Scott SkingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Barrington, IL
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 309

I'm not a lawyer and have no idea what your estate plan looks like, but usually the point of a family trust is to keep your assets in your trust and out of your personal estate. Definitely send a quick email to your estate planning attorney and get their opinion. Assuming that you have seen them in the last few years and they are somewhat aware of what is going on in your life, this should be an easy/quick/cheap answer.

Definitely, don't take anybody's specific advice in this or any forum...nobody knows your situation and the potential consequences are too great.

Post: Finding the Value on a Commercial Property?

Scott SkingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Barrington, IL
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 309

I see, not a traditional apartment building but still should be considered commercial. The biggest things that stick out to me are that the expenses seem to low as a whole. They are less than 20% of your gross income. For a quick rule of thumb I like to use 50% which includes a capex reserve. So a few thoughts:

-if expenses are conservatively estimated at 50% (includes property management and capex), that puts your NOI at about $25K, which using your 6% cap rate would value the property at around $417K.

-even if the expenses are actually at about 35% ($17,500), that would put the NOI at $32,500 and property value at about $542K

-I don't see any vacancy figures quoted, you need to estimate at least 5% (10% is better) vacancy which will also lower the NOI

-I would FOR SURE, get T12 ACTUAL expense numbers, don't just trust what they tell you

-Also, consider that even their last 12 months doesn't necessarily equate to what you will be spending on R&M and Capex, I would underwrite at a higher, more conservative number

-I think you will have a very hard time making this property cash flow at a $600K purchase price once you factor in your P&I payments...just a guess, I didn't run the numbers

Last thing. Just becasue you can improve the property, raise rents and increase your NOI...doesn't mean you should have to pay the seller for the work you are going to do. The seller should be paid on what the property is actually worth. No, they are not going to sell it for $417K but you need to figure out a price that is somewhere in between what it is actually worth based off of the numbers and what you can make it worth.

I have to run out now but if I can, I will try to plug in numbers and get back to you with more info/insight. If you can, please share your financing details/plans.

Scott

Post: Finding the Value on a Commercial Property?

Scott SkingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Barrington, IL
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 309

Hi Jennifer,

Comps are fine but it is very important that you also know the commercial value of the property using the formula

NOI/Cap Rate = Value

So if the current NOI is $50K and the average cap rate in your market is 7%, the approximate value of the property is $715K. This is a baseline to give you an idea of roughly what the property is worth, the price might be higher or lower for a lot different factors.

Part 2 is plugging these numbers into a investment calculator to see if the numbers make sense for your ROI goals. Raising rents to market, cutting down operational expenses and thus increasing your NOI will exponentially impact the value of your property (using the formula above).

Keep in mind that you should buy the property at a price that is based on current actuals, not what the seller thinks it is going to be worth. If you want some more feedback, post the actual numbers of your deal and I will be happy to give you my opinion.

Post: can you come up with $400 in an emergency

Scott SkingerPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Barrington, IL
  • Posts 208
  • Votes 309

@Laith Ali Great post, thank you!

@Alan Pederson The Millionaire Next Door is a great book, have read it several times and recommend it to everyone. As a matter of fact, I think it is time for my teenage kids to read it.

@Chris Rivers AKA our sensei ;) You're the second person who has recommended The Richest Man in Babylon in the last two days...I'm on it! The first person who mentioned it is why I'm adding to this thread...Mr. Money Mustache

If you have not checked out Mr. Money Mustache's site or heard a podcast with him...I insist you give him a try, at least once. His philosophy goes beyond  personal finance, he makes living lean and being financially efficient a lifestyle. The guy lives a very  "rich" life on approximately $30K/year and retired when he was around 30. Ironically, he is now making a killing on his blog, which he is transparently disclosing and making a difference in the world.

http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/ hit his "Start Here" link is probably the easiest

http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2018/01/02/why-bitc... - "Why Bitcoin is Stupid"...something that we can all relate to ;)

And as a added bonus Bigger Pocket's new Money podcast by @Mindy Jensen and @Scott Trench had Mr. Money Mustache as their first guest, https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/biggerpoc...

Cheers! Enjoy your weekend.