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All Forum Posts by: Clayton Silva

Clayton Silva has started 22 posts and replied 357 times.

Post: Affordable target price comparison between business and residential loan

Clayton Silva
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Quote from @Wilson Lau:
Quote from @Zhenyang Jin:

I am a software engineer working in Bay Area. I found out that:

Case 1. When doing business loan for 4+ units multifamily, my W2 can not be used to calculate DSCR. For the top tier area like Palo Alto where cap rate is 4.0%, LTV can only be limited to 40%~45%. For the 1.5M downpayment, the target price is only 2.5~2.73M.

Case 2. When doing residential loan for fourplex, my W2 + my partner's W2 can be used to calculate DTI. LTV can reach 70~80% even the cap rate is only 4.0%. For 1.5M downpayment, the target price can reach 5~7.5M if DTI is allowed.

Due to the big difference on target price, I raise this topic to confirm whether my understanding is correct or not.  I wonder whether expert can confirm this?

Because my DIT is low, maybe Case 2 for fourplex is my preferred loan type than Case 1 if I want to invest locally. Any advice is welcome.

In my opinion, if you can go conventional, most of the time it is a better choice due to the better interest rate and terms. In your case of a fourplex, option 2 should get you a better deal.

I would also agree with Bill on how the number of units may not correlate with the value of the property unless it is a large multifamily complex, and sometimes a fourplex or several single family houses would give you better returns.


100% We always recommend conventional first until you can no longer qualify for those. Better rates and no PPP makes them the best options (generally). Unless the borrower is self employed and takes a lot of expenses to show lower income on their returns then it usually makes sense to pay a couple thousand a year in higher interest (you can pay like 4,000 a year in additional interest for DSCR if you are saving 30+k on your tax bill kind of math lol)

Post: HELOC for 2 unit investment property in Chicago, IL

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Quote from @Jeffrey Blackman:
Quote from @Clayton Silva:
Quote from @Jeffrey Blackman:
Quote from @Clayton Silva:

2nd position HELOCS on investment properties are typically capped at 70% LTV and have rates ranging from 9-11% just a heads up unless you use a local credit union where you have cash on deposit with them. Figure and NYFTY are easy automated HELOC programs with super quick closings (I did one for a client that funded in like 72 hours from loan app). Neither one allows for ownership in LLC which is frustrating and Figure only does SFRs.


To clarify my previous post: 80% LTV is available on single family homes, 75% LTV is available for 2-4 units.


DSCR can cash out 80% even on 2-4 units, but I was referring to OP's request for HELOC on investment properties

To further clarify my previous post: 80% LTV HELOCS on investment properties are available on single family homes, 75% LTV HELOCS on investment properties are available for 2-4 units.

 2nd position? I have seen those on 1st position, but not for 2nds.  Curious who those are funded with?

Post: HELOC for 2 unit investment property in Chicago, IL

Clayton Silva
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Quote from @Jeffrey Blackman:
Quote from @Clayton Silva:

2nd position HELOCS on investment properties are typically capped at 70% LTV and have rates ranging from 9-11% just a heads up unless you use a local credit union where you have cash on deposit with them. Figure and NYFTY are easy automated HELOC programs with super quick closings (I did one for a client that funded in like 72 hours from loan app). Neither one allows for ownership in LLC which is frustrating and Figure only does SFRs.


To clarify my previous post: 80% LTV is available on single family homes, 75% LTV is available for 2-4 units.


DSCR can cash out 80% even on 2-4 units, but I was referring to OP's request for HELOC on investment properties

Post: Wrapping my brain around appreciation/equity vs cash flow...

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Quote from @Craig Lee:

Thanks @Clayton Silva for the reply. For more context, my REI goals are almost exclusively for long-term wealth/retirement (in my 30s). I have a great job that I love and currently do not need to spend the cash flow from the properties. Goal would be to acquire 20 rentals by the age of retirement, with some already starting to be paid off.

I am in the same boat as you, and I focus on safe appreciation all day (small cash flow for safety and then focused on markets on that appreciate).  I am 30 myself income is good and I love my job so I am not looking to replace my income, just looking to invest wisely and build wealth.

Post: HELOC for 2 unit investment property in Chicago, IL

Clayton Silva
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2nd position HELOCS on investment properties are typically capped at 70% LTV and have rates ranging from 9-11% just a heads up unless you use a local credit union where you have cash on deposit with them. Figure and NYFTY are easy automated HELOC programs with super quick closings (I did one for a client that funded in like 72 hours from loan app). Neither one allows for ownership in LLC which is frustrating and Figure only does SFRs.

Post: Wrapping my brain around appreciation/equity vs cash flow...

Clayton Silva
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Hard to say one way or another without knowing your personal finances, goals etc., but it seems like a good deal.  I had the lightswitch moment after investing in NC for a while and I would get ok cash flow, but the properties I owned all doubled in value in about 5-6 years and I realized I could appreciate my way to financial success much faster than I could cash flow my way there.  But every person invests for different reasons and goals.  Time horizon matters a lot too, talking to a client in their 60's wanting to retire is very different than someone in their 30's looking to build and accumulate wealth.  I like fitness and health and just like those two things, real estate investing is NOT a "one size fits all" solution.  

Post: Insurance rate more than double from last year

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I am familiar with the area, happy to help in anyway I can, a lot of stuff like insurance or tertiary questions I can probably get you plugged in with someone more knowledgeable on those things.  I tend to stay in my lending and financing lane lol

Post: Insurance rate more than double from last year

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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Clayton Silva:

Definitely helps to get quotes from a few places, problem is that options are shrinking as more carriers leave the state of CA.  A lot of investors are jumping to secondary lines of insurance coverage and the problem with those is that the companies are based in the Cayman Islands or the Bahamas a lot of the time, and it is suspect that they would actually pay out if the need arose unfortunately.  


LOL  I would never take insurance from off shore holy cow.. I would not be surprised if banks would not recognize them either.. maybe I dont know enough about insurance.. I guess Loyd's of London is off shore :)  but Caribbean carriers not so sure.

My carrier on our master inventory policy just shut off ALL of CA.. I dont currently have any projects going in CA at the moment but I have been looking for a Summer cabin up by Truckee and I suspect insurance will be an issue although I will pay cash but I will still want some coverage.

 Yeah, I just did a loan for an investor in the North Tahoe area and the insurance was wild, a lot of that is only going to qualify for Cal FAIR unfortunately due to wildfire risk.  Lloyds is offshore and I see them a lot in FL where they have the same issues as we do here in CA.  


while we are talking about it Cal Fair  how much more are they than what had been typical insurance rates  ?? 

 Good question, they seem to be all over the place depending on the area and I am not an insurance specialist, I think typically 1.5-2x normal rates but I could be off by a bit

Post: Affordable target price comparison between business and residential loan

Clayton Silva
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  • California
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  • Votes 214
Quote from @Bill B.:

If it's 4 units you'd always want the residential loan with the 30 year fixed rate, especially if you plan to live there. The commercial loan will be 3-5 or 7 years then you'll need to refinance. Can you imagine your interest rate doubling like it did a couple years ago? Even if it's a 30 year fixed DSCR that allows you to live in it the interest rate will make the "residential" loan a far better choice


Oh the other hand if it’s 5+ you’ll have to go commercial. I’ve often seen 5 units sell for the same or less than 4 units because there are less buyers and the financing is worse. Heck I bought a “four plex” where there was an “owner’s storage area” exactly the same size as the other 4 units. :-). 

 But especially if you plan to live in one unit I would assume you’d save another full point in interest. Almost like being paid to live there. 

So to clarify, you CANNOT live in a DSCR property as DSCR is business purpose only and that is not allowed.  5-10 units can also qualify for 30 year fixed DSCR loans as well.  Just a heads up 

Post: Insurance rate more than double from last year

Clayton Silva
Posted
  • Lender
  • California
  • Posts 363
  • Votes 214
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Clayton Silva:

Definitely helps to get quotes from a few places, problem is that options are shrinking as more carriers leave the state of CA.  A lot of investors are jumping to secondary lines of insurance coverage and the problem with those is that the companies are based in the Cayman Islands or the Bahamas a lot of the time, and it is suspect that they would actually pay out if the need arose unfortunately.  


LOL  I would never take insurance from off shore holy cow.. I would not be surprised if banks would not recognize them either.. maybe I dont know enough about insurance.. I guess Loyd's of London is off shore :)  but Caribbean carriers not so sure.

My carrier on our master inventory policy just shut off ALL of CA.. I dont currently have any projects going in CA at the moment but I have been looking for a Summer cabin up by Truckee and I suspect insurance will be an issue although I will pay cash but I will still want some coverage.

 Yeah, I just did a loan for an investor in the North Tahoe area and the insurance was wild, a lot of that is only going to qualify for Cal FAIR unfortunately due to wildfire risk.  Lloyds is offshore and I see them a lot in FL where they have the same issues as we do here in CA.