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All Forum Posts by: Chinmay J.

Chinmay J. has started 50 posts and replied 1178 times.

Post: Mortgage Rates for REFI..

Chinmay J.Posted
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  • Northern, VA
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Just closed today..

Originally posted by @Dave Lynch:

@Chinmay J. What could possibly go wrong?

 C'mon man.. Be a sport already.. Just imagine all the interesting stories you can come out and tell us.. I mean how many times we get to hear a story which starts something like.... "And there he was.. staring at me with a cold stone stare with an ax in his hands..." 

Post: A Hypothetical Scenario

Chinmay J.Posted
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  • Northern, VA
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Originally posted by @Carmen Lewis:

@Chinmay J. yes if I were a seller and found out my house sold for 20k above the contracted price, I'd be pissed. But from my understanding, these "motivated" sellers don't really care. They understand that investors are in it to make a profit and are okay with that. They just want out of their current situation which is why they are motivated. And also from my understanding, wouldn't all of this be disclosed to the seller? What's the harm if every intent is in the seller's best interest and they are made aware of all of their options? If a seller has a problem, and I find a solution to their problem, what's the harm in that? And why can't I be compensated for the time it took me to find the seller, their solution, and the resources I used to find it? This is some good conversation. I probably sound like such a rookie but I'm learning quite a bit. 

 You do realize that you are contradicting yourself right?  Why would someone go with a wholesaler as opposed to a realtor. Well two of the most important reasons is quick sale and no commissions.  The seller gets what he has been promised - unlike in a realtor scenario he will get  Selling Price - Commissions.  This can look very sexy on the paper, but I tell you what.... The No Commission thing is a lie. It's just an accounting trick. Instead of taking a cut from the selling price, you just padded it to the back end and increased the selling price that the new buyer pays. 

So now, regardless of who is making money and what not,  what if the deal that has been promised is NOT what the property is selling for.  What if it is selling for significant more.  Significantly more to the point that if he had gone with a traditional realtor, he would have come out on the winning end of the deal.  Most wholesalers don't disclose all these things in any level of detail with to the sellers. They would be shooting themselves in the foot if they did.  Most sellers are not savvy enough to know the true price of their property, or they would never go with the wholesalers. They would go with realtors and sell their property "as is". 

BTW, I am glad that you are even asking these questions before jumping into this.. 

Originally posted by @Dave Lynch:

Just trying to get opinions on someone convicted of man slaughter about 10 yrs ago. Is it risky or does enough change after 10 years?

Sure.. Why not....What could possibly go wrong... Just don't ask him why the rent is late.. You never know what will happen next..

Post: A Hypothetical Scenario

Chinmay J.Posted
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  • Northern, VA
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Originally posted by @Carmen Lewis:

I didn't realize that this was such a touchy subject. I am new to ALL of this and am just looking to get my feet wet a bit and learn along the way. I'm not looking to con anyone, I am not shady, and I have morals. I don't want to be a broker or a realtor. I want to buy ugly houses and make them pretty again. Wholesaling seemed like a good way to raise some capital to get me to where I want to be. @Lydia R. and @Michael Ealy I really appreciate your thoughtful insights. 

 Then you are better off finding other ways to raise money to make your dreams come true...

First of all, the core of the wholesaling business is based on somewhat deceptive business practice. It involves signing a contract with a seller at a agreed upon price and then assigning the contract to a buyer after padding your commission.  Nothing stops that buyer from doing the same thing that you just did..  Hey.. The Sales Contract says "the buyers and/or his assigns....right?" So why the heck not...

So now imagine, you being a seller that really needs that quick cash, and decided to sell your house at a contracted price of $100K, only to find out later on that actually the house sold for $120K. Would you be pissed? I would be for sure. 

For the same reason Virginia has made it illegal to do NET LISTING. This type of transaction is called NET LISTING. 

Another thing is that the wholesalers are notorious for is underestimating the repairs and overestimating the ARV. There are many people out here on BP who have built real estate empires, but have never bought a single property from wholesalers. I think that speaks volumes..

In the end, you're going to do what you're going to do.. Good Luck..

Post: A Hypothetical Scenario

Chinmay J.Posted
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  • Northern, VA
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Originally posted by @Lydia R.:

@Chinmay J. the OP can close on a deal and re-sell it if she chooses and be perfectly within the confines of the law. Perhaps instead of contributing negativity you could contribute education to the OP who clearly posted looking for information. You made generalizations about wholesaling in general. Had you qualified your statements by specifically referring to OH this would have been an entirely different conversation because I am aware of the strictness of OH laws regarding wholesaling.

When did Bigger Pockets become the place to belittle and criticize those who are here to ask questions, gather information and get advice? If I was a pro member I would be asking for a refund.

You are right... That's called Double Closing.. Not wholesaling.  Most wholesalers have no desire or funds to buy the property

I did contribute. I told her to go become a realtor.. Sorry if that wasn't as warm and fuzzy as you had expected it to be (for her) 

Post: A Hypothetical Scenario

Chinmay J.Posted
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Originally posted by @Lydia R.:

@Chinmay J. its legal here in TX. And I have the funds to close on anything I put under contract. If I have the intention and ability to close a deal that I put under contract and then I choose to sell my equitable interest in that contract to someone else who also has the ability and intention to close then I am not brokering a transaction. You are more than welcome to call and speak to my attorney, Im sure he would be thrilled to learn something new from someone like you! 😂😂

 Well you are not most, and you are talking to someone from OH, where the OP seems to be from.  Different laws right? From reading the board and talking to people, my understanding is the OH has some of the toughest laws against brokering w/o license.  Why not stay in your own lane (Texas) instead of trying to advise someone half way across the country, and that too someone brand new.. 

For your reading pleasure. OHIO LAWS Maybe you and your attorney can read it together later on, or maybe he can read it to you.. LOL

Post: A Hypothetical Scenario

Chinmay J.Posted
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Originally posted by @Lydia R.:

@Carmen Lewis I guess I will be the one to give a helpful answer here. If you have the property under contract and one of your potential buyers goes around you then you have cause to sue them since you were under contract with the seller prior to their hijacking of your deal. Typically the guys who do that take advantage of the fact that you are new and you probably dont actually have the money to sue them. In that case you are SOL, its like having a gun and no bullets. I would suggest working with reputable buyers until you have the money/confidence to defend yourself as needed.

Yes sometimes sellers will get cold feet/get offered more money and try to back out of your contract. Again you have to made the decision on whether its worth it to take legal action against them. If you have a good relationship with the seller and you do everything you have told them you would do, you maintain communication/updates on progress throughout the deal and you havent strong armed them into selling for next to nothing then they are much less likely to back out of the deal.

Protection? You wont like my answer but here it is. Wholesalers dont have much risk in their deals if they are doing assignments. Therefore there isnt a whole lot of actual protection if you cannot truly defend yourself. Being a wholesaler with out some kind of funding behind you is like having a gun without bullets. You are defending yourself with a bluff. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt. Deal with reputable people, dont be shady and you will more than likely have more positive experiences than negative ones. But negative experiences come with the territory. You have to determine if thats something you can handle or not. Most newbie wholesalers give up/quit/lose money within the first 12 months. This is just my advice/insight. Do with it what you will. Good luck!!!

 While you are at it, do you want also tell her how Wholesaling is equivalent to brokering without license  (for non realtors) and very much illegal, and for realtors it could still be illegal if NET LISTING is illegal in their state.. 

Now that's like having a gun and bullets both, but firing into a crowded street.. lol

I am not even touching potentially unethical aspect of wholesaling. 

Post: A Hypothetical Scenario

Chinmay J.Posted
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  • Northern, VA
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Originally posted by @Carmen Lewis:

I am looking into my first deal. Let's say a seller agrees to sell me their house. I get the property under contract. I reach out to some cash buyers. What is stopping a buyer from going around me and buying directly from the seller? Do sellers ever default on a purchase and sales agreement, and what happens if they do? What are some ways I can protect myself as a wholesaler so that I don't get screwed?...

 Become a Realtor, and you would know.. 

Post: Mortgage Rates for REFI..

Chinmay J.Posted
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Just received Clear to Close from the bank. Broker just sent email. Should be able to close after 3 days..15 more days left for lock rate expiration...