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All Forum Posts by: Christopher Vaughn

Christopher Vaughn has started 4 posts and replied 26 times.

Originally posted by @Storm S.:
Originally posted by @Christopher Vaughn:
Originally posted by @Storm S.:

@Christopher Vaughn I do this for commercial properties.

 Well now that's an interesting angle, what type of responses do you see with commercial properties? Just curious

I lowball people pretty hard, so normally angry responses but I get maybe a 10-20% callback rate. Once they call I try to calm them down and go from there. 

 Read somewhere here on BP, if you aren't embarrassed by your offer you're offering too much lol. Mind me asking what resource you use to locate commercial foreclosures? Do you use Loopnet? 

I must be used to seeing the over priced properties of the Seattle area. After reading your initial post I checked the Shreveport area on Zillow just out of curiosity and the first property to pop up was a foreclosure duplex for under $40k (221 E Jordan St, Shreveport LA). Granted, I haven't looked further than Zillow and don't have a clue as far as repairs needed, but with the rents in the area for 2 bed room 1 baths being around the $600 to $700 range, this duplex would rent out for like $1200/1400 a month. I'd be willing to bet that you could purchase and rehab it for under $100k... not sure if the numbers would work... I'm just generalizing. But that said, I have a feeling my first rentals will be outside WA lol

Originally posted by @Storm S.:

@Christopher Vaughn I do this for commercial properties.

 Well now that's an interesting angle, what type of responses do you see with commercial properties? Just curious

Originally posted by @Frank Chin:

@Christopher Vaughn

Here is an article about a real estate guru doing foreclosure rescue who ran afoul of Washington state's laws: Joe Kaiser investment guru

Here's some comments from Joe himself: Joe Kaiser comments

 Thank you Frank. 

This has been a fascinating thread and thank you to everyone who gave input on the legality of this and shedding some light on RCW 61.34.

Sometimes when you see a law or read the reasoning you are left scratching your head, for example, RCW61.34.020 (3)a "Distressed home consultant" means a person who: Solicits or contacts a distressed homeowner...etc

If we as real estate investors / buyers are not allowed to contact people facing foreclosure... why does the state still make said information public record and free to access???? The state is like, here is a list of people most likely to be motivated to sell and would welcome your help... but if you use it you are a criminal! 

Originally posted by @Nghi Le:

No need to keep having this same discussion.  Here's an older thread on BP that's talked about this:
https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/86/topics/634947-washington-state-law-rcw-6134-and-preforeclosure-flipping

There are some other ones too, but they basically convey the same information:
https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/93/topics/157450-rcw-6134-and-similar-acts-in-oregon-nevada-and-california
https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/773/topics/685978-what-are-some-absolute-donts-in-washington

You can ask the local experienced wholesalers about it.  Most wholesalers tend to market to absentee owners to avoid being in conflict with this.  You might get away with using a list that includes some homeowners in foreclosures (if it's not the majority of the list profile), but there's no guarantee.  Courts tend to side with the homeowner over the investor, especially in our state.  We're all being punished because of something a bad investor did a decade ago.

 Thank you again for all your input. I greatly appreciate it!

Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Christopher Vaughn:

Hello fellow BP Members,

I'm a wholesaler in the Seattle area and focus primarily on homes that are in foreclosure. I'm curious if anyone uses the tactic of sending direct mail that is in the form of unsolicited offers to get distressed properties under contract. I'm talking about sending the actual purchase and sale agreement to the homeowner. IE (Release Form, Forms 21, 22D, 35, and 22J if the property is older than 1978). 

Do you do this or something like it? What have the results been? 

Any thoughts or info is appreciated so thank you in advance.

Cheers, Chris

I don't mean to ruin your plans, but apparently you voted in people who set laws that would rather have people in foreclosure lose their homes to banks, than to be able to sell to you and save some of their equity. I guess you might say that Washington State is for big banks and against homeowners.

Definitely looking more into this as there are multiple companies and people in WA that are wholesaling. I did find this from AG



https://www.atg.wa.gov/ago-opinions/interpretation-2008-statute-concerning-distressed-home-consultants


"In Laws of 2008, ch. 278, the Legislature significantly expanded a series of laws relating to “equity skimming.” RCW 61.34. [2] Equity skimming practices are used to obtain title to a property for the purpose of either taking the equity out of the property or obtaining rents or payments on the property without satisfying the underlying obligations that may exist..."

Wholesaling doesn't include taking equity out of the property or obtaining rents without satisfying the underlying obligations. The property is being sold and the debt cleared. So, does wholesaling still fall under "equity skimming"?

Originally posted by @Michael Haas:

I don't have experience on the buy side, but on the sell side I get PSA's sometimes for 30% of my rental property's actual value. Usually they aren't real PSA's though - usually they're one pagers that vaguely look like a PSA but are questionably binding.

Not sure if I'd take it more seriously as an actual PSA, or just be sad that 13 pieces of paper were wasted instead of just 1... at least the one page guys are saving the trees :).

Seriously though - I think you'll get a more mileage by trying to start a conversation with the owner, trying to view the property, and taking it from there. I mean... have you ever actually read a PSA! They're not exactly page turners...

 The majority of the time I'm making contact with homeowners prior to any offers. I do a lot of "knock & talk" or "Cold Calling" to start a conversation and build a relationship prior to making offers. I'm in the process of starting direct mail campaigns to add to my lead funnel, and was looking at this as part of that. I've read a few people's post on BP and other sites where sending unsolicited offers has netted in getting properties under contract

Originally posted by @Nghi Le:

Before you continue down this route, please research RCW 61.34 in our state.  You may want to re-think targeting homes in foreclosure for your marketing campaign.

Thanks for your input, which part of the RCW are you speaking of? I glanced over it but don't see anything in particular saying that you aren't able to purchase homes that are in foreclosure or market to them. There are definitely things that need to be done to make sure everything is on the up and up, I'm not looking to violate any laws or even to "screw" over the homeowner, wholesaling involves dealing and marketing to homeowners that are in foreclosure all the time though.