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All Forum Posts by: Chris Kendrick

Chris Kendrick has started 32 posts and replied 191 times.

Post: HELOC to get into Real Estate

Chris KendrickPosted
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Quote from @Joseph Padilla:
Hi team! I’m 26 years old and want to get it to real estate, I have been researching real estate for the last couple years and am finally really to get into the grind! Looking for some advice -I currently just got approved for a HELOC and wondering the best practices to use that money to get into real estate? Flip and Flix? Rental Property? My main question is should I use that money for 20% down or look for a property that I could use the HELOC to pay for the whole thing?Also - is there a calculator that I can use to calculate my heloc payment? So I can run the numbers for what my mortgage would be on the property also what the heloc payments would be? If anyone has any advice I would really appreciate it!! Thank you,
you should know what your monthly payment is if you got approved for a heloc? I did
Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

@Chris Kendrick, In MANY markets nice single family homes are not a primary source for cash-flowing rentals.

In a lot of areas 2-4 unit multi family houses in B/C class condition are the bread and butter for cash-flowing rentals.

Also, keep in mind what you see advertised isn't "the deal". A deal is what you make of it. It's what you negotiate the purchase to be, how you improve the property, how you manage financing, how you manage the tenants, etc. It isn't what someone advertises in the listing. 


 How you going to pay for the 2 to 4 multi-family,  i seen some in my area but the price has to be low, in order to cash flow

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Quote from @John Michael:

Happy Monday all,

We are looking to start our first BRRRR and have a HELOC for $195k. It appears that our choices to purchase our first property are the following:

1. Use the HELOC to purchase a property outright in cash and pay for renovations.

2. Use the HELOC for down payment and renovations coupled with a traditional mortgage.


In both cases we would refinance asap after finding renters, but curious which of these two methods has better returns or risk? Being our first, I guess we're just a little worried about being over extended with a big HELOC balance starting out.


Thanks in advance and be safe this week fellow Floridians.

Best,
John


 You are better off with a hard money loan. There are some that can finance 90% LTC and 100% on the repairs. 

So does a heloc 

How are people doing rental properties, if the prices are to high, i mean the price of a house has to be below 200k after rehab in order to rent it out, cause anything higher no one will pay 2k for rent, 

why would someone abandon a property, i got 5 houses that are abandoned near me, trying to find the owners, been abandoned for awhile , not sure why they dont sell it, i mean they are still paying taxes on it, or maybe they been bought out by the city and just left the house there but who knows

Quote from @Jon Puente:

Hey Chris,

Once you get past 3-5 rentals, you should be using DSCR financing. No W2 income required, and its based on Credit, LTV, and Debt Service Ratio (hence DSCR).

You will have to pull your credit, but only once. No need to do it multiple times, especially if you are working with a mortgage broker. I actually have a DSCR Cashout refi going right now on a property in Charlotte, NC.

Isnt dscr have a higher interest rate?

How do people people use the brrrr method when they do the cash out refi part, meaning normally you go to a small credit union to do it, but most banks only allow like 4 investment properties you can refi, so how are these people with 40 or 50 properties are doing it, do they go to like 10 different banks, and also once you refi the banks require credit checks, well are you getting like 3 or 4 credit checks a year ? 

How do people people use the brrrr method when they do the cash out refi part, meaning normally you go to a small credit union to do it, but most banks only allow like 4 investment properties you can refi, so how are these people with 40 or 50 properties are doing it, do they go to like 10 different banks, and also once you refi the banks require credit checks, well are you getting like 3 or 4 credit checks a year ? 

Post: Flip tax question

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Quote from @Randall Alan:

@Chris Kendrick

If you flip a house within a year of buying it, you pay your regular income tax rate on the income (ie. it gets added to whatever you made that year).  If you hold the house for at least a year, you pay capital gains taxes on it, which are either 0, 15, or 20% - depending on your tax bracket (see below)

But one thing to remember is that all the expenses get deducted from your flip...including purchase and sales expenses, real estate taxes, etc.  You only get taxed on the actual profit after all expenses.  One other thing though... if you had your property for several years and depreciated the property along the way, the government makes you "recapture" that depreciation - which basically means you have to subtract any previous depreciation off the basis of your house and pay tax on that portion you already depreciated.

In short, it takes a really good spread between your purchase / repair expenses and your ARV to make a flip work. Personally, we won't take on a flip unless we think we can net about $50,000 after all expenses - including taxes. I'm sure others might go lower than that... but for the time, effort, and risk - including going over budget - we want that much cushion to make sure we have a successful outcome. We have flipped about 5 homes in the past 5 years. We have come closer to making 6 figures on most all the flips we did - except our last one as the markets were starting to cool, and we had permit issues with it - that one was probably about $50,000 in the end.

These are the capital gains rates for 2023 (this is your gross income (including the flip profits - not just what you made on the flip):

long-term capital gains rateTaxable income
0%$0 to $44,625
15%$44,626 to $492,300
20%$492,301 or higher

So unless you are somewhat destitute, you are looking at 15% capital gains with a median income, and 20% if you have a higher income.

All the best!

Randy


 Randall, holding a flip for more than a year doesn't change the taxes and you cannot get capital gain treatment for flips. 


 So is he all wrong then, so the profits from flip is get capital gain taxed at 15 percent


 There is no capital gain. Ordinary income tax plus self-employment taxes. Taxes are very high. You might want to talk to your tax advisor about how to manage this. 

Well there are capital gain if you keep it longer than a year, but basically ordinary tax, i am not self employed so that doesnt apply to mee

 not correct! 

Not correct on what exactly 

Post: Flip tax question

Chris KendrickPosted
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Quote from @Ashish Acharya:
Quote from @Chris Kendrick:
Quote from @Ashish Acharya:
Quote from @Randall Alan:

@Chris Kendrick

If you flip a house within a year of buying it, you pay your regular income tax rate on the income (ie. it gets added to whatever you made that year).  If you hold the house for at least a year, you pay capital gains taxes on it, which are either 0, 15, or 20% - depending on your tax bracket (see below)

But one thing to remember is that all the expenses get deducted from your flip...including purchase and sales expenses, real estate taxes, etc.  You only get taxed on the actual profit after all expenses.  One other thing though... if you had your property for several years and depreciated the property along the way, the government makes you "recapture" that depreciation - which basically means you have to subtract any previous depreciation off the basis of your house and pay tax on that portion you already depreciated.

In short, it takes a really good spread between your purchase / repair expenses and your ARV to make a flip work. Personally, we won't take on a flip unless we think we can net about $50,000 after all expenses - including taxes. I'm sure others might go lower than that... but for the time, effort, and risk - including going over budget - we want that much cushion to make sure we have a successful outcome. We have flipped about 5 homes in the past 5 years. We have come closer to making 6 figures on most all the flips we did - except our last one as the markets were starting to cool, and we had permit issues with it - that one was probably about $50,000 in the end.

These are the capital gains rates for 2023 (this is your gross income (including the flip profits - not just what you made on the flip):

long-term capital gains rateTaxable income
0%$0 to $44,625
15%$44,626 to $492,300
20%$492,301 or higher

So unless you are somewhat destitute, you are looking at 15% capital gains with a median income, and 20% if you have a higher income.

All the best!

Randy


 Randall, holding a flip for more than a year doesn't change the taxes and you cannot get capital gain treatment for flips. 


 So is he all wrong then, so the profits from flip is get capital gain taxed at 15 percent


 There is no capital gain. Ordinary income tax plus self-employment taxes. Taxes are very high. You might want to talk to your tax advisor about how to manage this. 

Well there are capital gain if you keep it longer than a year, but basically ordinary tax, i am not self employed so that doesnt apply to mee