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All Forum Posts by: Christopher Gill

Christopher Gill has started 9 posts and replied 27 times.

Post: To Own or Rent: Combining the Best of Both Worlds! - Part 2

Christopher GillPosted
  • Investor
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 18

@Roy I think you're very correct about the limited time where this model would potentially be most appealing. However the multi-family space is booming and would seem to appeal to a similar demographic with this new model having more up side for the end user.

I also wonder if you had people in a model they liked before they started having kids, starting a family etc. whether a large percentage would want to stay with something they are comfortable with IF the living situation could grow with their family and changing needs.

Thanks for your input!

Post: To Own or Rent: Combining the Best of Both Worlds! - Part 2

Christopher GillPosted
  • Investor
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 18

I'm looking at this from the perspective of a Millenial (I was born in 1991). In the very near future my generation will be buying/owning/renting the majority of residential real estate.

We want flexibility, an investment, something that promotes community but also allows for independence and personal expression. I personally don't think the majority of my generation has a burning desire to have a deed in their name if other equally viable options are out there.

We want the best of both worlds; and companies that are succeeding today are finding ways to make that happen.

This will be reflected in how we look at real estate and home ownership.

Like I stated home ownership in its current form will not go away (especially in ultra high end markets). If you are buying a house that costs several million dollars the cost is a secondary consideration to numerous other factors.

I want to see other options being created that perhaps fit the "use" needs of younger people better than the current rent or buy models.

Initially I could see this being implemented effectively in Tiny House Communities; something I'd like to discuss on its own in other discussions. If the model can and does work for tiny homes (which are absolutely geared toward a niche) is it possible to scale up to starter and mid-level homes?

Tiny Home Communities will be of similar construction costs. They will be in locations that are close enough to cities to make living a more urban existence attractive; but not so close to where building mid or high rises becomes the only viable option. 

People live in these communities because they want a more simple existence and the economic benefit of not buying a home at the top of their financial limit.

They will value the ability to move around easily from community to community. Many occupants will be freelancers who work from home, or people that are comfortable switching jobs and exploring different parts of the country.

Finally, knowing they are getting some viable return over renting and seeing no financial benefit, or buying and having to deal with the issues that come with home ownership will be a deciding factor.

It is a niche, but one that encompasses millions of Americans during an ever lengthening period of their lives.

Post: To Own or Rent: Combining the Best of Both Worlds! - Part 1

Christopher GillPosted
  • Investor
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 18

See the second part of this discussion here!

Post: To Own or Rent: Combining the Best of Both Worlds! - Part 2

Christopher GillPosted
  • Investor
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 18

See first to understand the context of this post here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/44/topics/251...

I want to see homeownership evolve to fit our current lifestyle and desires. Will home ownership in its present form ever disappear? I highly doubt it; but currently there are really only two options: buying or renting.  Why don't we have a third, fourth, and fifth, hybrid models?

How do we combine the best of both worlds? After a little thought here is a first model that I came up with. This isn't perfect; only a first iteration I want to propose so we can start this conversation.

I do feel incredibly confident that with companies like Air BnB and VRBO already disrupting the hotel industry; and Uber and Lyft disrupting the car industry we will continue to see tectonic shifts in the way we make decisions on whether to own, rent, or simply have access to essential components of daily life.

The current model(s) of housing will have major competition in the very near future.

Listed below are some of the major pros and cons with renting or buying and how they could look in a new model:

Owning a Home As An Investment: What if living in a community gave you access to some of the profit and loss of the owning company as a whole? Instead of the worth of your home being tied directly and solely to your dwelling could you spread out some of the risk by it being tied to a larger community and potentially thousands of dwellings all over the county and potentially world?

This wouldn't give you all the potential appreciation if you bought at the perfect time, rode the cycle to the very top of the market and sold; but you would still enjoy a steady rate of return or equity capture that would give you much greater peace of mind. I'm sure the millions of folks who lost their homes in 2008 would have loved something like this!

Being Able to Customize Your Dwelling: This could be solved in two ways: First, have different communities with different house sizes, styles, etc. You would then have a base you liked to work off of. Second, offer a set of customization options that could be moved around to different houses. These wouldn't be tear down the walls and change the floor plan, but for many people switching out fans, faucets, and paint colors is as HGTV as they want to get!

Flexibility and Ease of Movement with a Rental: Once you were living within the companies network of properties you could move from community to community once your "commitment period" (for lack of a better term) was up. For example you're living in Dallas and starting a new job in Portland Oregon. The company has a community and houses in both locations. You simply move; and only incur the hassle and expense of that actual process. No more waiting for months for your house to sell, no stressing about quality and not knowing what you wanted. These would all be taken care of for you. 

Another huge benefit is your investment into the company would continue. No worrying about not understanding a new real estate market and where the best area to buy is. Your risk would be dramatically spread out.

Maintenance & Upkeep: To ensure a standard of excellence was maintained the company would have to take care of maintenance and upkeep on properties. I think you'll find very few homeowners that want the responsibility of taking care of every little problem in their dwelling. Handing this off to someone else sounds like a dream come true! Maintenance costs would also be dramatically lower with large amounts of volume. No getting price gouged by "Joe the Plumber". This benefit would obviously be reflected in how much you pay every month; but I don't think this would be as scary as it initially sounds because of the ability to have full time staff taking care of your communities.

I'm going to pause here because I really want your thoughts and feedback. Does this sound doable?

There are a few other unusual benefits that I think could also be incorporated into this model that people today would love; and I'll explore those next time.

Post: To Own or Rent: Combining the Best of Both Worlds! - Part 1

Christopher GillPosted
  • Investor
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 18

@Kyle. Even with plenty of resources I think the benefits of renting (particularly not having to be directly related to all upkeep and maintenance) still apply. I currently live in and own a condo; which is perfect for my present lifestyle.

The goal of what I'd like to see is giving people the ability to have some of the customization and options that are usually only available to upper middle class to lower income segments.

Is it possible? I'd like to think so!

Thanks for your input!

Post: To Own or Rent: Combining the Best of Both Worlds! - Part 1

Christopher GillPosted
  • Investor
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 18

@J. Usually I find instability in a rental situation is 90% of the time on the head of the tenant. I've never arbitrarily excited someone or not let them renew a lease. I WANT them for as long as they want to stay and are an asset to my community. If you fall behind on rent you get evicted, but this is the same if you fail to pay your mortgage or taxes.

Obviously if a landlord isn't doing what their supposed to do and maintaining a property that's a whole different issue; one I'm leaving out for the sake of this discussion. To create something that forces a large shift in this space you would have to have landlords taking care of and maintaining their properties.

I don't see life estates in their current form becoming a widely used way to spread risk, save on taxes, etc.

Thanks for your input!

Post: To Own or Rent: Combining the Best of Both Worlds! - Part 1

Christopher GillPosted
  • Investor
  • San Antonio, TX
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 18

Is it possible to combine the benefits of owning a home with the benefits of renting?

At first glance most people would say no because these things seem to be at opposite ends of the spectrum. Personally I'm not convinced; and whoever comes up with a working model (not even the best model) and implements it correctly WILL be remembered as a trend setter in modern real estate.

This could change everything.

First off, what are the benefits of owning?

1. The perceived benefit of your primary residence being an incredible investment. This is an area of real estate where most people are believing and repeating a lie. Of course you CAN make a significant return off your primary home, but this is anything but a given. Sadly, in 2008 millions of Americans learned this in a jolting, financially crippling way. However, I don't want to totally discount this aspect of real estate ownership.

The model of the future will incorporate predictable and steady returns the way people currently hope things will work out.

2. Customizability. I want to make my home special and unique just the way I want it. However, most people don't really know what they want which is why we hire decorators and interior designers to educate us.

The model of the future will also incorporate the ability to customize your dwelling within reasonable parameters that offer guidance and help you make a decision that is best for your lifestyle.

There are obviously additional benefits of home ownership, but for the sake of my argument I'm going to stop with the above two which I think are the most important.

What are the benefits of renting?

1. Little to no financial risk. Because people do realize that real estate returns aren't always guaranteed, renting provides a hedge of protection against buying at the top of the market and selling at the bottom. Your landlord shoulders that risk.

2. Ease of use and upkeep. For many, maintaining your home isn't what we look forward to doing on our weekends. Not having to worry about the time or financial burden of maintenance is a HUGE benefit of renting a property.

3. Ease of movement. When you rent a property the only thing that ties you there is the length of your lease. If you hate it you can leave with very little financial risk or annoyance.

So how do you combine the benefits of both renting & buying? I have a model that I think would work and I'll post it tomorrow! 

What do you think though? Would being able to enjoy many of the benefits of both models be a real estate game changer?