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All Forum Posts by: Chris Allen

Chris Allen has started 42 posts and replied 298 times.

Post: Travel Nurse - First Time Home Buyer

Chris Allen
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  • Temple, TX
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Quote from @Jordan King:

Hello, my girlfriend is a travel nurse and is looking to buy her first home but cannot seem to find any traditional financing since she is technically a "contractor" and has only been travel nursing for 1 year. I was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how she could secure a low down payment loan for her first home. Or if that is even an option? Thanks ahead of time.  


 Hey there, I am a travel nurse as well. It can be difficult to get financing if you have not been doing travel nursing for 2+ years, but not impossible. When I do travel contracts, I am considered a w2 employee of the travel agency, not a 1099, so she might be as well. Call around to multiple lenders and don't take no as an answer. Here are a few tips that I did to get financing. 

- Write out a detailed letter/email explaining your time in the industry as a whole; including how much you have made each year as a nurse, how your contracts work, how you get paid, and job outlook. 

- Provide all of your Tax Returns for the last several years as a nurse. 

- Ask your recruiter to write an email to the lenders stating your contract terms and length, and outlook for employment. 

Post: Renting out Campers

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  • Temple, TX
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Has anyone done STR or MTR with a camper? I have a buddy who is open to me taking over payments for his camper. Other than doing travel nursing, I have no use for a camper. Anyone have any luck renting out a spot at a park and placing the camper on AirBNB? I dont own any land, so would need to rent a spot.

Is it better to move places depending on demand, rent out just the camper and make the renter pay the lot rent, or find one spot to set up camp?

Post: Mid term rentals to nurser etc

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I also recommend getting on some of the travel nurse FB groups (furnished finder is a great one). You can ask nurses what they are looking for and post availability 

Post: Mid term rentals to nurser etc

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  • Temple, TX
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Quote from @Abraham Shamosh:

Hi All,

I own residential rentals in Miami with long term tenants, but was recently looking into mid term rentals to rent to traveling, nurses, etc. 

can anyone please share there experience regarding occupancy rates and other information? Thanks


 I have not rented to travel nurses yet, but I am a travel nurse. From the renter point of view, here are things that I personally look for. 

- Ideally within 15 min of the hospital I am working at. If things are expensive, I will go up to 30 min away. 

- Clean, well put together unit. Comfortable bed with nice bedding, room darkening/blackout curtains in bedroom, decent shower, in unit washer/dryer, decent kitchen with all the necessities, good wifi, and a decent smart TV, iron, etc..

- I travel with my wife, baby, and dog. So I look for a good size, fenced in back yard, as well as enough space in the property for all of us, but not so much we are paying for space we don't need. Most travel nurses look for 1-2 bedroom properties that are affordable but nice. 3 bed would be the next most common, and 4+ is less desirable. Shared spaces is also less common for travel nurses unless it is a group of nurses that already know each other or you are in a very expensive market. 

- I typically look for middle of the line type properties to rent, willing to pay a little extra for a nicer place, but also I try to save as much as I can on rent so I can keep the difference in my stipend. Other than looking at comparable properties in your area, a rough idea for what nurses would want to spend is go find out your GSA rate for your area, and just stay below that. Nurses get a tax free stipend for housing and meals, but that is also where a bulk of our pay comes from. So most assignments we want to pocket the difference because if we don't, we really are not making any more than we could to just be full time somewhere. 

Post: 2nd home loan for STR

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Quote from @Calvin Boyd:

My wife and I are looking for a second home loan to purchase a cabin in Broken bow, Oklahoma. We will use the house for short term rentals.

Her monthly income is $12,333 (1099) mine is $3,333 (W2). Credit scores both over 780. Our only other debt is our PITI payment on our primary residence $1,005 monthly. We have $130,000 cash $50,000 stocks and around $140,000 equity in our house.

Purchase price will be around $590,000. PITI will be around $3,800. Ideally we wouldn't want to go higher than 10% down if possible.

The first lender we talked too said it would be problematic to be approved because my wife is a nurse (5 years in the field) and she is currently doing travel nursing contracts and is 1099. 

If you are a lender and think you can help us, or if you know of a better way to get the financing for this deal aside from a 2nd home loan then feel free to reach out.

thanks.


 Hey there Calvin, where are you all located at? I looked into Broken Bow for a while after I got my cabin in the Smoky Mountains and know a few people investing in that market. I am a travel nurse as well and got a 2nd home loan a few years ago. I know some things changed with the 2nd home loan program so it might make it a little more difficult. I would definitely talk with multiple lenders as well as maybe consider a different loan option if you really want the property. I also recommend your wife do the following

- Write out a letter/email explaining in detail her job, income, stability, and outlook. 

- Provide current and previous contracts she has taken to show pay history, employment gaps, etc...  

- Talk with her recruiter about speaking with the lender or providing something in writing showing an outlook for future income and job stability. 

Love to connect. 

Post: Chesapeake VA Is my rent ask too high??

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Quote from @Damon Aniton:
Quote from @Chris Allen:
Quote from @Heather Brown:
Quote from @Bonnie Low:

If you go to the GSA website and search travel nursing contracts you can get an idea of the per diem for your area. This will give you some idea of what nurses/travel med professionals are being paid but bear in mind that they must have a permanent residence in order to qualify for the out of town per diems so they're usually supporting more than one residence on their pay. Generally speaking, if you're not getting any interest there's usually one of 3 reasons:  hospitals in your area aren't using travelers as much or at all, you're asking too much, there's too much competition, or the price isn't appropriate for the finishings of the property. Allowing pets definitely helps. Having one bathroom per bedroom is a plus also. If you haven't already, get on some facebook pages for travel pros in your area. Share your listing. You'll find out right away what the issue is because people don't hold back with their "advice." Good luck to you!


 Thanks for info on the GSA website Bonnie. I was not familiar with this at all. I looked for my area and it appears there is a monthly per diem of 2900-3000/month so that tracks with my listing. 

Yes, to be honest, I have avoided posting on places like fb marketplace or craig's list because there is so much riffraff but maybe I need to suck it up and do it lol. Thanks again!


 Not sure if the GSA of $2900-$3000 is including meals or not, but I can tell you as a travel nurse, we typically try and find a place to stay that is cheaper than the Tax-Free that we are receiving. I just pulled these numbers from an actual job posting for an ICU travel job in Chesapeake. Below is giving $2,743.96/mo in housing allowance ($3,113.34 allowance total). As a travel nurse, you are also having to pay any rent/mortage back at home, while typically also having to pay for your own insurance and what not. So if you are having to spend your entire allowance on additional housing, you are only working for $39/hr (which is like a staff job anywhere else). I would say your competetors at $1800-$2.1k are right on the money for what travel nurses would be looking for. What could you rent it for as a LTR?

Taxable Pay Rate:$39.00/hr x 36hr

$1,404.00

Non-Taxable Lodging Stipend:$19.06/hr x 36hr

$685.99

Non Taxable M&IE Stipend:$10.26/hr x 36hr

$369.38

Gross Weekly Compensation:$68.32/hr x 36hr

$2,459.37

Estimated Take Home

$2,192.61/wk


 I am trying to understand the math a little better.  I am looking at the GSA site for New Orleans, LA.  If I am understanding correctly what the site is saying.  As of next month they have a daily rate of $158 daily excluding taxes and another $74 for ME&I.  This would mean they have a total for housing alone of $4740 if I understand your breakdown correctly.  Not to include the food allowance.

So a realistic number a travel nurse would look to pay would be maybe 50-70% of what their housing allowance is to make taking the job profitable correct?


 So this changes according to what they are actually getting paid. My example was just what I personally would be looking for, not an actual rule of thumb. If they are actually getting $4,740/mo for housing, I would imagine they would likely be willing to pay upwards of $4k+/mo if comparable properties are renting at that. Breaking it down to a rule of thumb of 50-70% is a little more difficult to do. Also, just because the GSA says the per diem is $158/ day, does not mean that they are actually getting that. The closest job I could find that shows pay was in Alexandria. The housing allowance for that job was $2,940/ mo, while the GSA shows a rate of $3,255. If you are wanting to see what travel jobs in your area are paying nurses, I would recommend looking at travel nurse job boards and Facebook groups. The GSA can give you a general idea, but it does not show what they are actually getting paid. 

Post: Property managment in Killeen TX area

Chris Allen
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  • Temple, TX
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Quote from @Nicholas Kelley:

I haven't seen many people from the Killeen area on here. Are there any meet-ups groups in the area?

I have not been able to attend in a while, so I'm not even sure if they are still meeting at the moment. But @Jeremy Fay had started a meetup that we were meeting at Billy Bob's Burgers in Killeen every month. 

Post: ESA letter from new mid-term tenant

Chris Allen
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  • Temple, TX
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Quote from @Matthew Purvis:

@Russell Brazil there is no phone number on the letter. Also the nurse on the letter states she lives in Texas but when you look up her profile on LinkedIn she is living in Missouri.


 Is it just a nurse or is it a NP? A regular nurse wouldn't be able to give that type of letter. If she lives in Texas, go to the Board of Nursing website and look for her if you are unsure. 

Also, you might check the rules of a MTR, I know with STR's there is some leniency with support animals/service animals if they pose a health risk. Since your family who stays at the property have severe allergens, it might be enough to ask her to leave if you need to. But I would say depending on how long her lease is and if she seems like a good tenant otherwise, I would maybe consider letting this slide. I think the headache and risk of calling her out on it is more than just not renewing her lease and having a deep clean done. The security deposit should still cover any damages or extra cleanings needed because of the cat.
Welcome to the Texas Board of Nursing Website


Post: Medium-term vs. long-term and furnished vs. not?

Chris Allen
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  • Temple, TX
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Quote from @Ginger Pruitt:

Options:

STR - In Denver, you have the ability to STR your primary residence for 30 days. If you can fill it, this might be a good strategy to get some good margin before settling into your long or mid term leasing situation.

Mid-term vs Long-term - had a minute and as a very loose proxy looked up the margin difference in a couple properties posted for travel nurse housing (my proxy for mid-term pricing) and compared to our analytical rental pricing tool for long-term.  There virtually isn't a difference in pricing (I'd be recommending a long-term price similar to what's posted for the mid-term lease proxy). No real margin difference in shortening the lease term, it appears.

So Agree with Greg above, that the risk probably outweighs the benefit.  But happy to nerd-out with these tools and your situation to help you figure it out! :)


 Are those MTR that you are looking at furnished? A general rule-of-thumb I have seen, furnished MTR's are usually at least 1.5-2x the monthly LTR. So I can't imagine people renting out furnished MTR's that are basically the same price as a LTR. But I can see an Unfurnished month-month or even a 3 mo lease being maybe only $100/mo more than a 12 month lease. 

Post: House hacking as a traveling nurse

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Quote from @Annie Beauchesne:

@Chris Allen you are exactly right. Multiple lenders told me that I had to secure a job in the market I wanted to invest in. It doesn’t matter if you are a resident of that state. They just want you to be working in that location. That way it ties you down to that area. It makes it more difficult to buy a primary residence when you’re a traveling nurse because you might be changing job every 13 weeks. 


 If I were you I would 

1) Consider not using an owner occupied loan

2) If you have a place you call "Home"  Mayne keep a PRN job there. 

3) Maybe rent a place ir a room just to show residency so you might qualify?