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All Forum Posts by: Chris A.

Chris A. has started 3 posts and replied 17 times.

Post: New Member from Arizona

Chris A.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Tucson, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 18

Thank you all for the kind welcome!

@Jared Vidales: Right now I am looking to purchase multi family units for cash flow and hold, but have done flips, loans, and complicated lien foreclosure deals.

Always looking to help out by partnering with people who could use my expertise.

Post: 4plex vs 10 plex

Chris A.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Tucson, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 18

Hello,

I am pretty comfortable evaluating deals up to 4 units and have a have some experience with how the expenses run for these.

A great 10 plex just came up for sale by the bank, and I am curious how my analysis might need to change to take advantage of a larger property like this. What kind of extra expenses does everyone take into account for the additional units, are there any economies of scale, how do your factors change?

Im pretty excited about taking the plunge on this one, and would love some insight about how to make it to this next level of larger complexes!

Post: 4 unit purchase with 7year arm and seller financing.

Chris A.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Tucson, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 18
@Michael Marshall: I have purchased all of my hold properties with seller financing since my full time student status and lack of W2 income prevents me from obtaining conventional loans...at least for the time being.

The key with seller financing is to really communicate with the seller to understand their needs. Do they need cash to pay off medical bills, are they trying to send a kid to college, or are they just looking for a stream of retirement income. You might be surprised what you find when you really try to understand their interest beneath their hard negotiating position. 

I always ask for a 30 year amortization and then taylor the stop to meet their needs. Most of mine have been at 7 years coincidentally. In that time, I will be able to add more properties to the portfolio, and hopefully get the entity  itself qualified for institutional loans. Worst case scenario, I can sell the property to satisfy the debt if it comes due and I dont like the refi options. 

If you want to add more leverage, look at personal loans help cover the down payment. 

Regarding the 7 year ARM: 7 years of low interest sounds nice, but you probably end up paying for that in loan fees and points. Not sure because I've never got one, but my though is if you can qualify for an ARM why not just get a conventional? Rates are low enough. 

In summary, Id get the owner carry back locked down, start cash flowing the property, and then take your time add more properties to the portfolio and refi them all once you find a cherry conventional loan. 

Post: New Member from Arizona

Chris A.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Tucson, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 18

Hello BP,

A friend shared some of your podcasts with me. Since going back to school, I've been pretty burned out on work/investing, and needed something to help get my entrepreneurial spark going again. I loved the creativity and energy I got from the podcasts so I made a profile. I look forward to sharing in the knowledge and enthusiasm of this community!

Wishing you all successful and fulfilling futures.  

Post: How can a "subject to" property be sold without paying off the Deed first?

Chris A.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Tucson, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 18

Jeremy, 

As you know, real property records in the US are maintained in a recording system. This is different than a registration system (think what we have for cars). You can record anything you want at the recorders, and the recorders only real responsibility is to make sure its signed and filed in the proper place. This is unlike a registration system where the framework dictates what you can and cant do. Try transferring your car title at the DMV while there is still a lien on it for example. The benefits of a recording system include less expensive administration and freedom to contract (also property doesn't lend its self well to registration because its hard to define, changes over time, and doesn't go away. Cars have simple vin numbers.) 

Title insurance companies basically sprang up as a market response to our use of a recording system. Since the administrator (recorder) isn't setting any rules people wanted insurance to guarantee that they were buying what they thought they were being sold and lender were secured where they thought they should be: enter title insurance. A title company is not an agent of the recorder and has no interest in the terms of what is recorded. They only care that the docs were signed by the proper parties and sent at the right time to the proper place so they wont be liable for an insurance claim. The responsibility of enforcing a lien is squarely on the shoulders of a lender. 

So, say you deliver your executed purchase contract to your favorite title company for closing. In the contract you write that the you will take title 'subject to all liens and encumbrances.' The title company pulls their title commitment and listed on schedule B exceptions will be the 1st position hard money lender from your example. What this is saying is, 'we the title company will give you insurance for everything we normally would (seller has marketable title and can sell to you, the taxes are paid, there aren't any strange easements etc.), but we've notified you that this lien is there and we wont pay you any insurance if they try to collect or make some claim on title.' 

So you review the correspond lien docs the title company provided for you as part of their commitment and get a feel for that lender's terms and conditions. Based on what you find, you and the seller make a business decision on if you want to move forward: how big an institution is the lender, will you keep paying the loan, is there a due on sale clause, what is the risk the seller will find out someone different is making the payments, how quickly can you refi or flip it etc etc. I will say briefly that you can mitigate a lot of these risks by using creative structures, but Ill save the details for another time. 

So in summary, the title company's job is not to pay off all liens. It is to do what ever you tell it to in the sales contract or escrow instructions. If you accept certain exceptions they will happily give you a limited warranty deed. Its the banks job to enforce the terms of their arrangement, not anyone else's.  

Post: Can I buy a house that is pending a county tax auction foreclosure?

Chris A.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Tucson, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 18
Originally posted by @David Krulac:

@Stephen Gregory 

Do a title search, check for other liens, get an attorney involved and if you're dealing with the owner get a warranty deed.

 David is on the right track. You can write a contract with the seller, just make sure you go though a title or escrow company. Get title insurance and make sure that any taxes are paid out of the sellers proceeds. 

Post: write your own offer to save 3% commission

Chris A.Posted
  • Real Estate Investor
  • Tucson, AZ
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 18

Would like to offer a completely different perspective: 

My feeling is that its always worth paying a professional to do a professional job. As an investor you get paid for making 'business decisions' and being a strategic thinker; not to being stuck in the mud doing paperwork, pulling plat maps off microfiche, and compiling due diligence documents. Sometimes an agent doesn't have to do much to earn their commission, but wait till you unknowingly come across a messy deal. A good agent will be worth their weight in administrative gold. Frankly, if you are concerned about 3% you might be looking at the wrong kind of deals. 

I have gone though probably a dozen different agents before I found some that were worth working with. Most offer offered little value (they felt like their job is done once they put the property on MLS). The good few were really good at understanding the numbers an investor needs to make the deal work and can help explain (negotiate) that in a polite way to an emotional seller. Others are genius sellers with complex marketing and back offices to handle the volume that comes in. Different tools for different jobs.

My advice would be to spend some time making strategic relationships with agents in the industry. Take them out to lunch, go to meetings, chat them up. You have to go though a lot of them, but when you find a good one its worth it. Especially when they start calling you about properties that haven't hit the market yet.