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All Forum Posts by: Chase Gibson

Chase Gibson has started 8 posts and replied 28 times.

Post: BRRRR Deal - Edmond, OK

Chase GibsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Edmond, OK
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 31
Originally posted by @Priscilla Swantner:

@Chase Gibson looks like a solid investment. Unfortunate you weren't able to pull all your cash out as part of the refi. Is that what you intended or was the ARV just off the mark?

I knew getting all of my cash out was going to be a challenge, but I was happy to be able to get the full purchase price back out of the deal, and all that is left in it is some rehab costs. 

Post: BRRRR Deal - Edmond, OK

Chase GibsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Edmond, OK
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 31

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $85,000
Cash invested: $12,000

I bought this single family home 4/30/2019 and unfortunately didn't begin the renovations until 6/1/2019. The rehab was completed in mid July and I was able to get tenants in place 8/1/2019. The home is rented for $1,050 and my monthly principal, interest, and taxes will be around $700. Monthly cash flow of $350/month, obviously a portion of that will be used for repairs, maintenance, and capex. Not a homerun by any means but it it a solid rental now and my first fully executed BRRRR deal.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Wholesaler. Multiple offers, but mine was the only "cash" offer so I got it.

How did you finance this deal?

I purchased the property with funds from a private lender and was able to get the property appraised for $117,000 after the rehab was finished. My lender then let me refinance at 75% of that ($87,300) at 5.25% fixed for 30 years.

How did you add value to the deal?

Full interior rehab.

What was the outcome?

Rented the property for $1,050.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Don't put off things you know you need to get done related to the rehab. Time is money & worry.

Post: BRRRR Deal - Edmond, OK

Chase GibsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Edmond, OK
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 31

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment.

Purchase price: $85,000
Cash invested: $12,000

I bought this single family home 04/30/2019 and unfortunately didn't begin the renovations until 06/01/2019. The rehab was completed in mid July and I was able to get tenants in place 08/01/2019. I purchased the property with funds from a private lender and was able to get the property appraised for $117,000 after the rehab was finished. My lender then let me refinance at 75% of that ($87,300) at 5.25% fixed for 30 years. The home is rented for $1,050 and my monthly principal, interest, and taxes will be around $700. Monthly cash flow of $350/month, obviously a portion of that will be used for repairs, maintenance, and capital expenditures. Not a homerun by any means but it it a good solid rental now and my first fully executed BRRRR deal.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Wholesaler

How did you finance this deal?

Private investor, followed by a rate and term refinance with a local bank.

How did you add value to the deal?

Full interior rehab.

What was the outcome?

Rented the property for $1,050.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Don't put off things you know you need to get done related to the rehab.

Post: 1st Fix and Flip Property!

Chase GibsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Edmond, OK
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 31

Investment Info:

Single-family residence fix & flip investment.

Purchase price: $129,000
Cash invested: $26,000
Sale price: $199,900

4 bedroom, 2 bathroom, 2 car garage, 2021 sqf. This home needed a complete cosmetic remodel. We addressed the flooring, painting, cabinets, both bathrooms. I will upload more pictures soon as it is going on the market tomorrow 03/15/2019.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Saw too much equity in the property not to jump on it.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Craigslist. I inquired about a different property that the previous owner had for sale, but when it didn't work it he mentioned this one to me and it was a great deal.

How did you finance this deal?

Private funding.

How did you add value to the deal?

Complete cosmetic interior rehab, basic landscaping.

What was the outcome?

It is currently listed for sale on the MLS.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

To not approach a property undecided on if you want to rent it or flip it. Make up your mind one way or the other and proceed accordingly. This is not to say, don't have backup plans if plan A doesn't work out, but rather to keep your focus on plan A UNTIL it doesn't work out.

Post: Seller asked for Copy of Inspection Report

Chase GibsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Edmond, OK
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 31

Teresa, that is unfortunate that the agent put you in that situation.  I would keep the earnest money and relist the property in hopes of finding a buyer who is easier to work with.

Post: Oklahoma Investor Success Story

Chase GibsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Edmond, OK
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 31
Originally posted by @Chris Hsiao:

Hi Chase,

Congrats on your successful start! Where are your properties located in Oklahoma? It's pretty sweet that most of your properties did not require much rehab/repairs prior to them being rent ready. The numbers look great too. Your rent to value ratio are well above 1% on every deal! Are you self managing these properties?

Chris

 Chris,

Thanks Chris!

My properties are all located in Edmond, OK.  I do self manage at this time, but I always run my numbers factoring in property management.  I hope to grow my portfolio to the point where I need to hire property management. 

Post: Oklahoma Investor Success Story

Chase GibsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Edmond, OK
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 31

Background: 25 years old with a full time W2 accounting job. I grew up with a dad that owned rental properties, but I did not get very interested in the business until the spring of 2016 when I started devouring books/podcasts/blogs.  I purchased my first investment property in December 2017.

Current portfolio: 33% owner of 3 single family rental properties in the OKC, OK area (dad and brother are my partners). 50% owner of 2 single family rental properties in the OKC, OK area (dad is my partner).

December 2017: Closed on my first investment property with my dad.

The numbers: Purchase price: $125,000. Rent: $1,350/month. Repairs needed: None. This property was rented when we purchased it and we still have the same tenants today.

March 2018: Closed on a two property package with my dad and brother: The numbers:

Property 1: Purchase Price: $65,000. Rent: $775/month. Repairs needed: $2000.

Property 2: Purchase Price: $76,000. Rent: $1,000/month. Repairs needed: None.

June 2018: Closed on a single family rental with my dad and brother:

The numbers: Purchase price: $115,000. Rent: $1,250/month. Repairs needed: None.

November 2018: Closed on a single family rental with my dad. We just closed on this property and we are not sure if we will flip it or rent it out, but there was too much equity to pass up the deal.

The numbers: Purchase price: $129,000. Repairs needed to get rent ready: $5,000-$10,000. Repairs needed to get close to top dollar as a flip: $20,000. We believe we can rent it for ~$1,500/month. The after-repair value if we put the $20,000 into it would be $180,000-$190,000.

Biggest mistake: Not putting all the necessary clauses in my lease agreements. Specifically related to the consequences around not maintaining the lawn care of my properties.

2019 Goals: Acquire 8 more “doors”, with one of the properties being 100% mine, without partners.

Thanks for reading about my 2018 story! I am just getting started!

Post: Owner Financing - Ethics Question

Chase GibsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Edmond, OK
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 31
Originally posted by @Simcha Davidman:

I'm a bit surprised at how many people seem to be passing judgment on the person because he asked the question. We can share our opinions without assassinating his character in our own minds.

Yes, it seems the consensus is that what he proposed is exploitative. But that doesn't mean @Chase Gibson was going to do this - he was asking about it. Maybe he did feel a bit "guilty" and wanted to get a broader opinion to strengthen his resolve.

And even if he was planning on executing this strategy, he still came here asking first - and as far as we know, he is going to change his tactic.

It's so great being in a community where so many people feel cool judging some other guy because they are confident that they would handle (a theoretical) $20k sitting on the sidewalk in front of them differently than OP here.

For all we know, the amounts could be much higher. Don't get me wrong - ethics/morals don't change because the amounts are higher - and I think I know how I would handle this because I know how I handle all questionable situations. But we'd be foolish not to recognize that money is one of the greatest temptations there is.

I applaud Chris for asking and being open to getting shot down!

Simcha, I could not agree more.  I came to BP to ask a question PRIOR to making any decisions.  I always thought of this site as a safe place to ask questions without being ridiculed for a decision that I haven't even made yet.

Post: Owner Financing - Ethics Question

Chase GibsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Edmond, OK
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 31
Originally posted by @Daniel Dietz:

@Chase, I think you are getting some good advice hear. What I would say is 'If you have thought about somethinig long enough to ask if it is wrong or unethical, you already have your answer to your question. 

More your point of 'trying to get a deal'..... I know several people who have been on both the buying and selling end of owner financed deals. To my knowledge, they have ALL either had a specific clause as to 'no penalty for early refinance' (he got no discount, but was buying a hard to sell property that did not qualify for traditional financing 'as is') or more typically they DO include a prepayment penatly for "__________ " number of years to make up for a discounted price. 

In your case, it would take the seller about 3 years of interest payments just to break even on the price discount he would be giving you. A reasonable clause *might* be 'no refinancing for 3 years'. 

Dan Dietz

 Dan,  This is the kind of response that is incredibly helpful.  I appreciate your input and how you presented thoughtful points, as well as, alternative options to consider.

Post: Owner Financing - Ethics Question

Chase GibsonPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Edmond, OK
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 31

Are all ethical issues removed if you were to add in the contract language similar to this?:

"Buyer has the right to refinance or pay off the mortgage at any time, penalty free, for any reason.