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All Forum Posts by: Charlie Nghiem

Charlie Nghiem has started 5 posts and replied 41 times.

Originally posted by @Leland Barrow:

Military towns attract a criminal element. 18-20 year old men that have a consistent income and few responsibilities are going to entertain themselves.

If you have strippers, you get hookers, you get pimps, you get drugs, you get theft, you get gangs, you get murders etc.

I think Killeen is popular because it is cheap real estate in a growing state and near a growing central texas.

Buying cash flow only real estate at the top of a market cycle in a single industry town because it is cheap and nearby is not a wealth building strategy.

It is a 'I want to be a REI and this is the only way I can make it happen' strategy.

I am not saying that I would not invest in Killeen. What I am saying is that you should have a diverse portfolio if you are going to invest there and that it may not be the best area for first time investors.

When the market cycle changes there will be losers and winners just like in every market cycle change. There will be more losers in some areas than others and vice versa.

If it was a great investment it would not be cheap. That is the nature of the market. The market itself inherently tells you when something has value. Cheap is rarely a good investment. There are always outliers but I would not make a business plan based on outliers.

Go buy penny stocks and let me know how fast your money grows.

Thanks for your reply. This is something I wouldn't expect out of a military town since I have never been in one. I'll take it into consideration. 

@Jacob Pereira

I recently did a cash-out refi which only netted me 25k after all fees were charged, which was close to 10K I beleive. I did it mainly to get the mortgage insurance off. Then 5K went to some unexpected cost of having our baby. 

As @Brian Adams and @Jason Parnell were saying about the price point to stay at, I should probably reconsider just staying in Austin as you said. I was hoping that Killeen would be a less competitive and cheaper place to invest in. 

Originally posted by @Brian Adams:

Some of this is true above, but not quite all of it. Firstly, why wouldn't investing for cash flow be a good long term wealth building strategy. Huh?

Definitely don't invest for appreciation in our market. I don't recommend doing that in any market. Recently, local home values have paced the inflation rate. But there are a lot of cash flow opportunities for buy and holders.

Duplexes in your price range are PROBABLY not great finds. I would target duplexes that rent for at least $750/unit, $1500 gross. These are buildings a quality property manager would take on. Most on the MLS at the moment that meet these criteria are asking between $140,000 and $160,000, so anything you can find off market for less is a deal, and likely 8% cap +.

The danger of deployments is almost entirely ameliorated by the Army's deployment timeline. 1CD has three brigades, and the post has several other large units like 3CR and III Corps HQ. The Army staggers these units' deployments, so that there is usually only one BDE gone at a time. That effect is already priced into the market.  In the event of a war, more units would absolutely deploy - but units and training areas would also be expanded. There's a reason the area's population has grown 60% since the War on Terror began just 15 years ago.

That said, do plan on higher turnover due to PCS stations often lasting a mere 3 - 5 years, deployments and the like. And yes, while we certainly respect their service and sacrifice, military members can be just as bad tenants than any other tenant (said as a former Army CPT). I plan on but consistently beat a 10% vacancy rate with my fourplex. Just be very careful to buy the right kinds of buildings (e.g. no 2 bedroom SFHs, EVER).

Fourplexes are getting a lot of interest right now. I know many investors who BRRRR SFHs very successfully. Flipping in the area mostly sucks because of high homeowner equity, the VA loan's 100% financing, and stiff builder competition. I've had many inquiries about apartments but so far have been unsuccessful pinning down a nice C-B class building for the folks I've spoken with, unfortunately. They are building more apartments in Harker Heights.

And actually, I think targeting Killeen for a 1st investment is a relatively safe option, depending on your acquisition and marketing strategy. Price points are low, competition is not as fierce as Austin/San Antonio/anywhere else in Texas, and the rental market is strong (2/3 of residents are renters vs. 1/3 nationally). Getting a simple 8% cap rate is achievable for a newbie investor - not going to make you rich quick but a great way to get your feet wet.

I also highly recommend "house hacking" for locals willing to live in a multi-family with owner occupant financing.

 Thanks for your reply, it was very informative and definitely help settle some of my fears about starting out in this area. 

The duplex I am most interested is 80K, it's at a 9% cap, bringing in (supposedly) $1250/mo. 

I am curious about your fourplex as to keeping your vacancy rate down under 10%. Do you use property management or self manage? What are you doing to keep that rate down? 

You mentioned a high turnover rate because PCS stations last 3-5 years. Are you saying that your average tenant lease last 3-5 years? Because that is great IMO.

Originally posted by @Leland Barrow:

Killeen is a military town. Your core tenant base is going to be younger, less mature, and possibly more inconsistent. The main positive about killeen is that soldiers have secure jobs and income. The main downside is that a massive deployment may leave you without a tenant base for months or even up to a year. There are special rules for soldiers that allows them to break leases. Areas around military bases can have higher crime than similar cities. These areas often do not appreciate as much as other areas due to the crime and the nature of a military base. This is why property prices are lower than other areas of Texas.

If you owned 20 rentals in Killeen and most of the residing units get deployed then you will probably have some major issues. Diversifying with one or two properties there is probably ok if you have a supporting portfolio. Targeting Killeen as your first investment area or core investment area is probably a high risk low reward strategy. Cheap is rarely inexpensive.

 I didn't realize, or understand why there would be higher than average crime in a military town, could you elaborate? 

I understand the risks with deployment, and adjust my numbers for 2-3 months vacancy per year. I hope I wouldn't run into a situation where there is no one to rent to for a full year. 

Originally posted by @Kris Wong:

Also, Killeen is an hour outside of Austin city center, and is going to pale in comparison to Austin in terms of appreciation. Killeen may work for cash flow, but not for long term wealth building.

 I understand that this area doesn't have an appreciation, so I focus on the cash flow only. Only worry is if the property depreciates! In you opinion, if you only had 20K, would you try to save more to invest in a more "stable" market (Austin, San Antonio, Dallas...), or would you invest in markets that were more "risky" to get started immediately. 

My real estate agent has sent me several duplex listings in Killeen varying from 30-85K. I don't have much for a down payment which makes these well within my reach. I only wonder if Killeen is a good place to start. 

I am from the Austin area. If anyone from the area has knowledge of Killeen rentals can I directly contact you over phone or PM or even buy you lunch to talk about the rental market there? 

Post: HELOCS 1st LIEN as primary financing

Charlie NghiemPosted
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 13

@Scott Hollister Thanks for the help and contact. Wasn't too sure if having to cash flow for 6 months was a wise decision or not, but I am more open to it now that you mentioned it. 

Looking at HML in another light from me needing them for finances, from them needing me for the deal is also a great way to view it, as I have as much to offer them as they do to me.

@Rick 

@Rick Santasiere Paying as much as I can into it and using it for quick cash is exactly what I would like to use it for. You still continue to have a mortgage on them though, would you consider removing the mortgage and have the house under a ELOC or LOC? Is this possible, because I haven't found too much info on it, which makes me think it might not be recommended to do so. I feel like it would make things simpler having just a ELOC or LOC instead of also carrying a mortgage (if possible). I might still be confused on this.

Post: HELOCS 1st LIEN as primary financing

Charlie NghiemPosted
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 13

@Percy N. Its funny, I was just listening to an old podcast about someone who used portfolio lending, but made it seem like you had to have a track record already to use them. I read up more about it after you mentioning it and will call some small banks to see what the requirements from them are. Thanks for the tip. 

Post: HELOCS 1st LIEN as primary financing

Charlie NghiemPosted
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 13

@Scott Hollister I did a cash out refi on my own property already, which got me less than half of the asking price. Which is why I thought about using a HML to get me the rest of the way. I really don't want to use them, but just don't really know another option that is available to me (After a refinance). This deal was very complicated to work out, and there would be barely any cash flow until I could get it refinanced, which I wanted to do a month or two after purchase and rehab, but would have to pay a penalty to a HML.

But the main point of my post was acquiring a property and refinancing it to a 1st lien HELOC. So since I couldn't offer the full amount I would use the HML, then I could refi into a conventional mortgage, and 6-12 months I can refi to the HELOC. This is the only way to do it as I am understanding.

I didn't know that I had to have deals in my pocket to use a HML, so that is something I am going to have to look into if I continue to go that route. Thanks for the info.

Post: HELOCS 1st LIEN as primary financing

Charlie NghiemPosted
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 13

@Brent Coombs I ran the numbers again and it seems like the payoff would be the same. I was using an online mortgage calculator and it might of added in some other variables, so it looks like it is all equal. So that's incorrect.

But, even then I would be using the LOC as a "checking account" for the property, meaning all cash flow goes back into LOC. Whenever I need to pay property taxes, or replace a roof, ect, I would draw from that account. And it all should work as long as I am cash flow positive, even with variable rate interest? I would still be putting $5-600 on top of the payment. The same could be said for a regular mortgage, but you wouldn't put all your cash towards the payment, as you need cash for maintenance, repairs, and taxes.

I like the idea, but again I have not tried this method yet.

The property needs renovation on the inside, so I don't believe I can get a LOC until everything has been repaired, which is why I needed the HML or personal loan to acquire it first, if I am correct.