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All Forum Posts by: Changseok Kim

Changseok Kim has started 19 posts and replied 68 times.

Hi BP members,


I would like to study about analysis of financial statement. could you please recommend good books about it? 

Thank you!

Quote from @Jason Marino:

With regard to whether you can create an Operating Agreement for an LLC that is already in existence, the response is yes. People regularly modify or replace their Operating Agreements for existing LLCs. As for whether the corporate veil could be pierced for the lack of that documentation existing in the past but now existing, that would be a fact specific scenario, as stated above. Despite this, I would still recommend that you put an Operating Agreement in place and that it be drafted by a legal professional in order to avoid potential issues.

@Jason Marino


thank you so much!! I really appreciate it. 

@David M.

(1) 'May I suggest that you consult a qualified professional (in the legal field) if you can "repair" your corporate veil?' - yes I am planning to talk with professional regarding this issue at this point.   

(2) 'So, have you already formed your LLC? Have you been operating with it? Or, are you just starting?' - I already formed LLC. I have been operating with it.

(3) 'As for IRS tax filings, it should be treated / filed as a partnership to the best of my understanding.' - you may want to look into this, and look at what other people's comments about tax filing. I would like to recommend to check on 'Small Business Taxes 2021' by Barbara Weltman. 

(4) The limited liability protection of a smLLC and a mmLLC is "supposed" to be the same. - you may want to look into what 'Charging Order' means. I would like to recommend to read 'Start Your Own Corporation' and 'Run Your Own Corporation' by Garrett Sutton. 

Thank you for sharing your opinions and understanding. I will appreciate your references as well. 

Quote from @David M.:

@Changseok Kim

Maybe start here about Misconceptions of LLCs:  https://www.biggerpockets.com/...

If you are doing residential properties, LLC's can be not worth it. Mainly, to do it "properly" you should be using commercial financing because the LLC can't obtain conforming residential loans. Commercial financing is more expensive and people don't want to pay it since they see how much cheaper and better terms residential loans provide. Then, they do what I see as a layman as controversial to their LLC's corporate veil is purchase with their name and their own loan, then quit claim deed the property to the LLC. However, the loan is still in their own name. I've written about this before, and many times: https://www.biggerpockets.com/...  There are issues to me about using the LLC as your alter-ego and also co-mingling funds since the mortgage is in your name, and not the LLC --- where do you draft the funds to pay the mortgage, and what / who is claiming the deduction (albeit, the IRS may consider the entity disregarded for tax purposes, but the corporate veil is a legal issue)?

Meanwhile, while you can always argue the case for needing the additional liability protection, you need ot make sure to operate the LLC properly to maintain the corporate veil. Many don't really seem to, or are partially doing it. Apparently, its not clear cut as to whether your veil has been pierced. What I've gathered is that it all State specific and based on facts and circumstances. In the meantime, lawsuits are usually pretty rare in the residential area, so rare we don't have people posting about it on BP. Insurance has been enough. That's the short of it.

As for your current business, there isn't enough information provided... Did you form a legal entity? By your own statement that its co-owned by the two of you, how could it be a single member LLC? What does your operating agreement say, if you have one? Or, is it effectively a partnership?

@David M.

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

I understand that it is much convenient to keep it under personal name to use the house as financial tool. However, the way I look at the corporate veil is another insurance. We purchase insurance for the worst case scenario. We hope that we do not need it but it can save us big time when it is needed. I hope to have corporate veil protection because there are situations that insurance alone may not enough, and insurance may not cover the loss. Yes, it may be rare, but it certainly exists. 

Going back to my situation, my rental property is fully paid, so no mortgage payment is needed. I am currently working on operating agreement (yes, I should have done it long time ago). I just recently learn the importance of formality of corporate and of liability protection. 

When LLC is owned by a spouse, tax can be filed in your personal tax filing like sole proprietorship. Also solo 401k can be created as well. So This is where my question comes from. when it comes to corporate veil, would it have a same benefit as other multi member LLC?

Quote from @Changseok Kim:
Quote from @Nathaniel Dodson:

Generally owning an LLC with your spouse is a single member IF they also file taxes with you. However, if you file as a partnership with IRS Form 1065, then you're treated as a multi member entity. As of today, only five states provide charging order protection to single-member LLCs:

Alaska
South Dakota
Nevada
Delaware
Wyoming

@Nathaniel Dodson

That was what I thought, but I think Michigan is included now  please see the following link 

https://www.legislature.mi.gov...

 Thank you. 

@Nathaniel Dodson

So tax filing determines whether LLC is single member vs mutimember? (Fortunately, we filed as 1065) Or can I define it in operating agreement? I am currently working on operating agreement at the moment, which I should have before. I just did not give too much thought about Corporate veil, and in Michigan, it is not mandatory to have to establish LLC.

Quote from @Nathaniel Dodson:

Generally owning an LLC with your spouse is a single member IF they also file taxes with you. However, if you file as a partnership with IRS Form 1065, then you're treated as a multi member entity. As of today, only five states provide charging order protection to single-member LLCs:

Alaska
South Dakota
Nevada
Delaware
Wyoming

@Nathaniel Dodson

That was what I thought, but I think Michigan is included now  please see the following link 

https://www.legislature.mi.gov...

 Thank you. 

Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Changseok Kim

LLC is over rated unless buying commercial properties

@Chris Seveney  can I ask you the reason? Thank you! 

Hi BP members, 

I have not given much thought about liability protection until now, but I recently started reading books written by Garrett Sutton, and cannot help having questions. 

(1) Does Michigan afford charging order protection to single-member LLCs? 

(2) currently my business is owned by me and my wife. Is this still considered as a single-member LLC?

I will appreciate any tips and advice. 

Thank you!

@Drew Sygit thank you! are there any websites that have the list of those lenders?