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All Forum Posts by: Frank Patalano

Frank Patalano has started 8 posts and replied 1966 times.

Post: So what's holding you back?

Frank Patalano
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  • Rental Property Investor
  • East Providence, RI
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Quote from @Sheri Fluellen:

Love this question!!  I'm actually a high performance coach and over half my clients are real estate investors.  A lot of what I see (and work with clients on) is gaining a stronger vision and purpose.  Because without that solid clarity around where the investor is headed ultimately, the actions because slow, erratic, and lack cohesiveness.

It seems that many people who don't have a strong vision or purpose often don't have strong goals either.

Post: Thoughts on Buying homes for their AirBnB value?

Frank Patalano
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  • East Providence, RI
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Quote from @Alan Asriants:
Quote from @Frank Patalano:

Overall buying based on "AirBnb potential" sounds like a terrible concept. 1 excited municipality can wipe out your profit with the swipe of a pen.


1. Traveling is sometimes a trend. Tiktok has made it cool to go to one place one month and then another next month
- Traveling is a trend? Nah. But today's technology and culture does allow more people than ever to work from anywhere.

2. Heard AirBnb is getting more strict with their regulations - larger companies/hotels are now listing their properties there. - Hotels have been on there for a while. I'm more worried about municipalities cracking down with regulations. Airbnb.com is actually aggressive watched by some towns and you can get fined if it is in an area not allowed by zoning.

3. AirBnb is getting more expensive. Recently found that it was $200 cheaper to use Booking.com than AirBnB. The nightly cost was the same. After all the taxes and fees being charged on AirBnb it didn't make sense for a short trip. Possibly for a longer stay it could be justified. - Are you talking for a hotel? Airbnb does a good job persuading hosts to discount long stays.

4. People are buying very expensive homes (1M and up) and hoping to get crazy returns - recession could impact how nice of a place people would rent. I hear lots of people who own airbnbs are getting most of their requests from 20 year olds looking to party in their mansion. I'm seeing some slowdown because with more new people during short term rentals there has been an increase in supply.


 I think I might've not said my point well about the traveling. I guess what I was trying to say is that certain areas have been cool to travel to only because of social media and in some time might not be as popular travel destination hurting investors bottom line. 

appreciate the breakdown. Seems like we are all in consensus - I just didnt fully trust these crazy returns some people were mentioning. Maybe at first but not now I guess. 

Still seems like a good way business if you have the proper safety nets. 


 Thank God we did not buy our boutique hotel last year based on AirBnb proforma. We are performing at less than 50% of what the fake proforma numbers If we had told us.

Post: So what's holding you back?

Frank Patalano
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  • East Providence, RI
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Quote from @Nathan Gesner:

I doubt you'll see thousands of responses. The majority of people are blaming high prices, high interest rates, low inventory, and lots of competition. Those are all true. It's not a great market right now and I expect it will get worse before it gets better.

David Greene compares it to swimming against the current. You can sit on the shoreline and wait for the current to change in your favor or you can keep swimming against the current. Those that continue to swim against the current may not make much progress, and they may even go backwards, but they will continue improving their technique and getting stronger. When the currents eventually shift, the people sitting on the shore will be late to notice the shift and they'll take time to get back into a rythm. Meanwhile, those that stayed in the water will take off like rockets and blow away the competition.


 I am actually very excited about the current market. Being creative is back. It's not all about top dollar at the moment in many markets.

Post: So what's holding you back?

Frank Patalano
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Quote from @Jaron Walling:

@Nathan Gesner 1000% agree. People don't get strong without swimming. We have struggled to find deals and capital but we succeeded at finding, vetting, and working with new contractors. Guys that charge realistic prices and don't rip you off. 


When you say new contractors, are you saying newer to the business or new to you? I am trying to get a sense if contractors are slowing down and have more free time. Not a ton of free time but at one point, some contractors did not even have time to breathe.

Post: So what's holding you back?

Frank Patalano
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  • East Providence, RI
  • Posts 1,992
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Quote from @Nathan Gesner:

I doubt you'll see thousands of responses. The majority of people are blaming high prices, high interest rates, low inventory, and lots of competition. Those are all true. It's not a great market right now and I expect it will get worse before it gets better.

David Greene compares it to swimming against the current. You can sit on the shoreline and wait for the current to change in your favor or you can keep swimming against the current. Those that continue to swim against the current may not make much progress, and they may even go backwards, but they will continue improving their technique and getting stronger. When the currents eventually shift, the people sitting on the shore will be late to notice the shift and they'll take time to get back into a rythm. Meanwhile, those that stayed in the water will take off like rockets and blow away the competition.

I agree that those taking action will have a higher likelihood of success.
I'm sure that many people will give up short term and will miss the boat.

Post: Where to start?

Frank Patalano
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  • East Providence, RI
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Quote from @Nick Jonas:

Thanks @Frank Patalano! Can you share some examples, and what is the expected yield in comparison to the stock market?


 If you are referring to passive investing, the return is different on every deal. On many deals, there is a projected annual distribution of 6-8%. After sale, most people expect to double their money in 5-7 years. Other deals might have a higher return but may also involve more risk.

Post: I need a CCNR for the state of california

Frank Patalano
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What does CCNR mean?

Post: Where to start?

Frank Patalano
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You could consider doing a passive investment into a syndication or a crowdfund for $50k or less. 
The investment is rather illiquid so you may be stuck if you needed the money until you sell or refinance that is why I suggested a small amount.

I was working 7 days a week and still self managed 15 units at once. I had a list of people to call if I was not available. I had a preferred handyman, plumber, electrician, etc.

In short term rentals, I have heard 20% being common in some markets. Long Term rentals should be 7%-12% of gross rents.

Post: Cash flow vs. Appreciation

Frank Patalano
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  • East Providence, RI
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I would pick Cashflow first. Appreciation is a bonus.
I haven't looked at San Antonio lately. 
If you plan on self managing you could see significant savings vs investing out of town or out of state.

Post: Thoughts on Buying homes for their AirBnB value?

Frank Patalano
Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • East Providence, RI
  • Posts 1,992
  • Votes 1,439

Overall buying based on "AirBnb potential" sounds like a terrible concept. 1 excited municipality can wipe out your profit with the swipe of a pen.


1. Traveling is sometimes a trend. Tiktok has made it cool to go to one place one month and then another next month
- Traveling is a trend? Nah. But today's technology and culture does allow more people than ever to work from anywhere.

2. Heard AirBnb is getting more strict with their regulations - larger companies/hotels are now listing their properties there. - Hotels have been on there for a while. I'm more worried about municipalities cracking down with regulations. Airbnb.com is actually aggressive watched by some towns and you can get fined if it is in an area not allowed by zoning.

3. AirBnb is getting more expensive. Recently found that it was $200 cheaper to use Booking.com than AirBnB. The nightly cost was the same. After all the taxes and fees being charged on AirBnb it didn't make sense for a short trip. Possibly for a longer stay it could be justified. - Are you talking for a hotel? Airbnb does a good job persuading hosts to discount long stays.

4. People are buying very expensive homes (1M and up) and hoping to get crazy returns - recession could impact how nice of a place people would rent. I hear lots of people who own airbnbs are getting most of their requests from 20 year olds looking to party in their mansion. I'm seeing some slowdown because with more new people during short term rentals there has been an increase in supply.