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All Forum Posts by: Casey Powers

Casey Powers has started 1 posts and replied 388 times.

50 + 25 = 75

If it were 483 + 276 then

500+275=775-20=755 +4 = 759

I always round to easier numbers then add the details at the end. It happens in my head much faster than I can write it. Lol

Post: How are investors making money in Las Vegas rentals?

Casey PowersPosted
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:

I dont see your spread sheet.  Can you reference it. 

On a $350,000 median price you get cash flow?

Well ill be darned.

Scroll back and see my recent posts here in this thread for a real life example with numbers. I posted the numbers, not in a spreadsheet. Pretty sure the numbers don’t change by not being in a pretty spreadsheet 😁

Post: How are investors making money in Las Vegas rentals?

Casey PowersPosted
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Originally posted by @Bill B.:

@Brian Ploszay

I believe you, as I did scoop up a bunch of those and only regret the ones I didn’t because the seller wouldn’t concede a few thousand dollars here or there. My problem is with all these people predicting it’s going to happen again this time. Las Vegas real estate has fallen more than 4% once. But now everyone assumes it’s the new norm, it’s going to happen every time. It was a once in a lifetime if not a once ever event. (As the government seems insistent that no amount of money is too much to prevent it from happening again.)

For real, if I knew then what I know now, I’d have bought a lot more than 2 properties in 2011-13 and hung on to every single one. Lol

I don’t see that kind of crash happening again. Maybe a fraction of that as a reduction in the current craze seems inevitable. In the meantime we can keep getting the deals that are there.

Post: How are investors making money in Las Vegas rentals?

Casey PowersPosted
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LOL. The answer to the question of whether you can find cash flow in Las Vegas today, is YES. As shown in my real life example in this thread 👍

Post: How are investors making money in Las Vegas rentals?

Casey PowersPosted
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Originally posted by @Joe Daigle:

Casey, you are a very astute person. And I’m sure you have good intentions.  But the moratorium isn’t for just the low-end renters.  That’s phooey!

We have rentals in providence and summerlin.  And we are sensing and seeing the coming fallout from —loss of income (job reduced hours) and career changes ( job is completely gone) Currently the rents are still being paid.  But as an investor it’s looking pretty scary  

Right now there’s a lot of casino properties that are still closed—-encore, palazzo, half of station casinos etc.  Also most tour companies aren’t operating or barely operating. These are the jobs that most Las Vegans hold.  And they pay well.  

But with tourism down more than 50% ( 45 million visitors in 2019/ 19 million tourists in 2020).  We are hoping for the best but very much aware of the worst.  

Remember Las Vegas is a boom bust type town.  



Hi Joe. I didn’t see your comment earlier. When I said the eviction moratorium mostly affects the lower end rentals, I meant as in those folks are the most vulnerable and therefore much more likely to be unable to pay due to job loss. Those were the only ones in my portfolio who couldn’t pay when this started. Also some more likely to want to “stick it to the man”. Stats also show those are the ones most affected.

I didn’t mean the moratorium doesn’t apply to all. Of course it does. However the average to higher end renters are more likely to have some kind of backup, more likely to correctly file for unemployment in a timely manner, more likely to care more about their credit etc. I haven’t had a single tenant not pay in close to a year, and by now those who lost income got on unemployment months ago. The risk with them now, is if unemployment doesn’t get extended again.

That seems unlikely since the Dcrew is reportedly pushing another round of funding through Congress, with an unemployment extension through August 29 + $400 weekly bonus. I am acutely aware of the mass unemployment issue here in Las Vegas and the extended low tourism etc. However vaccines are rolling out, more bailout money seems inevitable, restrictions are loosening, and more properties are announcing opening dates. 

I was here for the last two crashes post 9/11 and 2007-12. March 2020 was really scary because town looked as dead after shutdowns as it did immediately following the 9/11 disaster. I drove down the Strip about 10pm that night and only saw one car in the distance ahead of me. I took a few drives down the Strip last year and it was equally unnerving.

I totally know what you're saying about this being a boom and bust town. In the last 2 crashes, I watched as businesses and construction just halted, equipment sitting on jobsites, abandoned homes all over town, people packing up whatever they could stuff in vehicles and driving off, often in the middle of the night. I had friends who just up and left. Around 2010-12 there were some condo communities that had so many abandoned units they would jack up HOA fees on remaining owners in effort to stay afloat. I drove through some that looked like half the community was boarded up. Crazy times.

What’s different this time is extended unemployment and rental assistance, including for the self employed folks who couldn’t get such assistance when their jobs were killed before. I can’t predict the future but it doesn’t look like this one will be as bad as the last one. And this is different from what I thought last March, before they started passing all the assistance for displaced workers. I wish I had a crystal ball. But for now I’m cautiously optimistic overall. 

Post: How are investors making money in Las Vegas rentals?

Casey PowersPosted
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Originally posted by @Terry Lao:

@Jacoby Atako

I redid the PITI and gave her generous property tax at .50% of sales price. I'm at $766 PITI, but lets say that close enough for PITI.

That means to net $450 per month, you would need to leave out water, sewer, trash, home warranty, repairs/maintenance, and cap ex?

Here are my below calculations, to get $450 net per month. Are we missing some expenses?

LOL. Why on earth are you still arguing about my numbers? I posted actual, real life numbers and you’re still trying to say it’s wrong. 

PI $636.86

Tax $55.54

Insurance $$48.08

ACTUAL TOTAL $740.43 - so I actually overestimated on the PITI when I posted it earlier.

No landlord pays water-sewer-trash on a SFR rental in Las Vegas. At least none I've ever heard of. That's a multifamily thing.

Also I did write the repair stuff later. Again that’s $480/yr — $40/month for a good warranty. 
Repair deductible per lease $50. $75 service call from warranty. Actual repair cost to owner for the vast majority of repairs: ($75 - $50) $25 per event. Most SFRs have 4 or fewer repair issues per year in my experience. 

But as I said, add $100-150 per month for capex. 
Now you’re talking more like 8-9% annual cash on cash return, just like I said earlier.

Think maybe you owe me a sandwich at this point 😁

Post: How are investors making money in Las Vegas rentals?

Casey PowersPosted
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Originally posted by @Jacoby Atako:
Originally posted by @Terry Lao:

Rent amount is referenced in the earlier question. I ran the numbers and you can see my calculations as why do not think can net $450 per month.

Where are your calculations?

 I could be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time, but I think your issues with the numbers you are having with @Casey Powers example is pretty easily explained with your interest rate. You assume a 4% interest rate and I know got a 2.8% interest rate on a SFH. Which takes the PI down from $745-750 to $640. Leaving about $110 a month to make up taxes and insurance. $60 a month for taxes and $50 a month for insurance is very possible on a $200k home, especially in a B- area.

Exactly. 2.75% interest. And purchased January 2021. 

Even though prices are high right now, interest is so low, it can still work just fine.  
And $850 rent on the cheapest 4plex (worst neighborhood) in town is not realistic. Anyone who can pay (or get a voucher for) $850 rent in Las Vegas at this time, does not want to live surrounded by junkies, drug dealers, and homeless folks literally pooping and screwing right outside the gate. Only the most desperate folks will put up with that. 

Post: How are investors making money in Las Vegas rentals?

Casey PowersPosted
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Originally posted by @Jacoby Atako:

LOL! That was just a quick rundown of a few examples off the top of my head, that I personally experienced dealing with the smallplexes here in LV. There’s so much more. Frequent turnover, evictions, tenant drama, constant repair issues. All that crap costs money and time. 

The fact that people keep buying those old rundown POSes at higher and higher prices, is just mind boggling to me. 🤯

Investors interested in LV - do yourselves a favor and get on the SFRs instead of the junkplexes. Your net worth will thank you much more in 10 years. 

Post: How are investors making money in Las Vegas rentals?

Casey PowersPosted
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Originally posted by @Terry Lao:

@Casey Powers

I'm looking at the numbers because as investors, it's all about the numbers. So if your PITI is $750, then the loan needs to be 2% interest rate 30 years fixed for non-owner occupied loan. In order to get that low rate, only thing that makes sense if it was owner occupied when bought, then turned it into an investment after one year.

Your example could be the exception, but not the rule. Brandon Turner of Bigger Pockets, talks about 1% rule, 50% rule, and that is generally true. Your example goes against these rules.

In fact my 300k 4plex is the exception. In this current market, it is difficult to find positive cashflow properties.

LOL. 1% “rule” is just utter nonsense. Really wish these “gurus” would stop harping on it. If you don’t want to believe actual real life examples I don’t think there’s much point. 

Post: How are investors making money in Las Vegas rentals?

Casey PowersPosted
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Originally posted by @Terry Lao:

@Casey Powers

I agree with you and the drama/issues with 4plexs in bad areas. I'm just saying based upon your numbers above, I don't see a $450 month, net positive cashflow. The PI payment alone is $750, but your PITI is $750. Maybe your numbers pan out if you bought during the bottom of market in Feb'12, but not today.

I put my numbers for lowest price 4plex currently in LV for comparison.

I am not sure why you insist the payments are higher than I'm saying. The PITI is $750/month, actual real life numbers. $750 total fixed cost per month, before repairs. This isn't a projection; this is a real life example.

Repairs: Warranty $480 per year for good service, $75 service call. $50 repair deductible in the lease. Actual repair cost to owner for the vast majority of repairs: $25 per incident. Most SFRs have a repair issue maybe 4 times a year or less, in my experience. But assume $100-150/month for capex. So it’s really more like 8-9% annual cash on cash return for this property. As-is. Closed in January 2021.

Then there is forced appreciation and rent value add, which I didn't talk about before. Much easier to do that on a SFR than a 4plex in this town. In the 4plexes you're contending with the awful neighborhood so the rent values there, pretty much can't be raised unless you buy the block and improve the whole neighborhood. Putting $5-10k into a SFR can raise the rent value $100 immediately. And help attract best possible renters who stay longer term with far fewer issues.

Not likely to get $850 rent consistently on the cheapest 4plex in town. Those projections don’t look realistic to me at all. 

My experience dealing with all the various types of rentals in Las Vegas is SFR is more profitable than smallplexes, especially long term.