Originally posted by @Ryan Stumbo:
@Casey Powers you legit have no clue what you’re talking about. You’re trying to “win” a debate instead of just talking like a human. Not one realtor blew me off.
Realtor 1) told me that I need to lower my expectations if I expect 5% CoCr in any deal in Phoenix and that those deals were 10 years ago and I’m too late. He also stated I don’t understand the market here quite yet and the institutional money is going to beat me out of any deal. Respectable response but still had me wondering what he meant by not understanding the market and why asking for 5% seemed unreasonable to him. Again, asking for info, not claiming I had all the answers or was a real estate guru.
Realtor 2) told me she would give my offer verbally but was not understanding the market. I told her don’t worry about it, that if she was that convinced the offer wouldn’t even be listened to, then I don’t want to waste her time.
Now, you know what they say about assuming right? Maybe had you taken the time to ask more questions this would’ve been more productive for us both. No realtor blew me off. None of us had rude interactions. I told the 2 realtors I’ve spoken with that I wanted 5% return so I would adjust my offer according to that and both basically didn’t want to send the offer. Which I respect, clearly it was below the list price, but in other markets I’ve been in, most people who have had houses on the market over 100 days are just happy to hear an offer. The low offer can still open a door to get a better deal. You never know the answer unless you ask. It wasn’t like I just came up with a number and decided to lowball them without any math. The math supported my offer. But again, as I’ve now admitted, I didn’t realize so many people in the real estate world were willing to buy strictly for appreciation. I was naive in thinking everyone was like me and in real estate for the cash flow and having that passive income give them their freedom to have their life back and go to their children’s basketball game.
Like I said, I still have a lot to learn. I usually am a pretty friendly guy, but when people just start assuming things that they’re wrong about, it’s kind of annoying.
Telling you that you don't understand the market plus not wanting to send your offers = blowing you off. You clearly didn't like their responses, as shown by your longwinded posts here discussing it. Now instead of taking the feedback you're just dismissing anyone who attempts to directly explain it to you. Sorry if you can't handle it.
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Even if they view it as lowball, attach my spreadsheet to the offer and show them their property is way overpriced without directly telling them that and maybe they'll come to their senses. Me thinking the realtors would respect math also and see that I'm correct, I've had 2 realtors tell me "you're just not in tune with the Phoenix market." At this point, I will ask them politely to explain what this statement means because my math shows this deal is a terrible deal. They didn't respond.
So, you went in with arrogance trying to show them how you believe their pricing was wrong and you're "correct". You showed them all they needed to know - you don't know their market, you don't know how residential pricing works, and you think you know better than them. When you asked for a further explanation they didn't respond because they knew they wouldn't get anywhere. And you want to insult my "communication skills". LOL