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All Forum Posts by: Carlos C.

Carlos C. has started 28 posts and replied 54 times.

Quote from @Randall Alan:
Quote from @Carlos C.:

Hi Everyone!

Who is the appropriate professional that I would need to consult about legal aspects and benefits of moving my rentals into LLC? I want to understand what benefits it truly brings since seems like my insurance probably would go up after they get transferred.

Another reason I'm looking into this is because I've been trying to add my Property Manager as additional insured, but my current company (Citizens) won't do it.

Thanks everyone!


 Hi Carlos,

One word of caution regarding what you are thinking of doing...

This caution depends on how long you have owned the properties.  In Florida, you get grandfathered on property taxes based on when the value you paid when you purchased each property.  They can only increase property taxes by a certain percentage each year.  I think it was called "Save our Homes" at one point.  (I know the gist of all of this - but not the specifics... but enough to point it out to you...)

So be aware that if you transfer the property to an LLC - your county will likely treat this as a transfer of ownership (like they should)... the LLC is completely separate from you - even if you are the sole owner. This has the nasty effect of resetting your property valuation. If you JUST PURCHASED your property - this is no big deal (other than all the fees you will get charged by the county on the transfer). But what a lot of people don't know is that if you have owned your property for say 5-10 years - all that deferred appreciation your county tax appraiser has been tracking all those years - but not able to pass it along to you due to the caps on increases - goes out the window. So if you bought the property for $100,000 - but it is now worth $250,000 - you are probably being taxed on maybe $80-90,000 for the property value. Transfer it to your LLC, and whatever the just value of the property (usually about 20% below retail) becomes your new tax basis... so maybe $210,000 on the example above. It could be thousands of dollars more in property taxes - depending on how long you have held them.

It puts us in a hard place. We would like to transfer ours as well into LLC (we have 25 properties) - but they were bought in 2018-2021 and have gone up in value by about 3 fold. The hit on property taxes would be huge... so we continue to hold them in our own name, with a lot of liability insurance to try and protect us. We know it's not as good as the LLC... but it seems to make the most financial sense to us given the possibilities.

Hope it helps!  You can reach out to your local property tax people and they can explain it in more detail.  You can also look up the property on their website and they will show you the savings you have based on the grandfathering.

Here's an example where you will see $227,000 of cap differential on a property we own. So we pay taxes on a value of $408,356... but if we were to transfer it to an LLC taxes would be based on $635,000:

As for your question - a real estate attorney would likely be the best person to talk to.

All the best!

Randy


Thank you for such a thorough explanation Randy!  This will definitely help me make my decision!

Quote from @Jason Wray:

Carlos,

When you change the title vesting on your investment property from owner/personal to LLC it is easy and quick. You can simply go to the County clerk of court and in most cases simply fill out a "Quit Claim" form and pay the recording and admin fee which is usually anot much $100-$250 in most cases. Keep in mind if your Bank/Lender you closed with allows it to be vested into an LLC you can do it but it is "not" common in most cases. Most banks have restrictions and a Clause where the mortgage/loan becomes "Due on Sale".

The biggest benefit of going from personal to LLC is to protect your assets against a law suit due to an injury or death by someone renting or using the property. As far as insurance goes you can you can also get an "Umbrella Policy" that can cover a much higher policy liability to help protect against a major injury or death.

To be honest if you do not have a lot of assets or multiple properties changing to an LLC is not a huge benefit. Its mostly to protect you and your assets/cash if the injury exceeds the insurance policy limits.


 Thanks for the info Jason!!

Hi Everyone!

Who is the appropriate professional that I would need to consult about legal aspects and benefits of moving my rentals into LLC? I want to understand what benefits it truly brings since seems like my insurance probably would go up after they get transferred.

Another reason I'm looking into this is because I've been trying to add my Property Manager as additional insured, but my current company (Citizens) won't do it.

Thanks everyone!

I'll definitely find out about the license thing. Regarding the supervision, I agree, I do want to be involved, but I guess I'm trying to get an idea of what other property management service providers offer just to compare.

Thanks for your response @Andrew B.

Hi Everyone!

So, I have this 4plex, and since I'm 2 hours away, I agreed to pay the person that sold me the unit a 10% for him to manage the property. So far it's been good but sometimes I feel I'm too involved in all day-to-day decisions and issues. I was under the impression that if I paid someone to manage it, it would be like having the property on auto-pilot.

Were my exceptions wrong? To be honest it was more of a verbal agreement so we never went into specifics, and since it was my first time getting a property manager, I didn't know what to ask.

I guess I'm interested in know what other people get for a management service.

Thanks everyone!

Post: Security Cameras for Multifamily

Carlos C.Posted
  • Miami, FL
  • Posts 57
  • Votes 4

@Steve Hall Hi Steve! Thanks for the reply, yes this is in fact for a duplex and a fourplex. I want it mainly to monitor my properties and just check for small things like cars parked on the grass, etc.

I do realize it’s complicated and was hoping someone has done it before.

Thanks again for your reply!

Post: Security Cameras for Multifamily

Carlos C.Posted
  • Miami, FL
  • Posts 57
  • Votes 4

Hi Everyone! Quick question, I want to add cameras to my properties but not sure how to go about electricity and storage? Should I store the NVR in a specific apartment? Do I use the tenants electricity and credit them something? What’s the best way to go about this?

Thank you!

Post: Land Trusts and LLCs

Carlos C.Posted
  • Miami, FL
  • Posts 57
  • Votes 4

@Mike S. Thanks for that information, it does shed more light into the subject.

@Erik Sklar Thanks Erik, I'll definitely start reading those. The frustrating part is that different Real Estate Attorneys here in FL say different things, and that's the scary part. 

Post: Land Trusts and LLCs

Carlos C.Posted
  • Miami, FL
  • Posts 57
  • Votes 4

My ultimate goal is asset protection. And I understand that land trust just helps with anonymity. But based on Mike’s reply, in Florida, land trust might provide some asset protection, so I’m trying to figure that out.

Post: Land Trusts and LLCs

Carlos C.Posted
  • Miami, FL
  • Posts 57
  • Votes 4

Does that mean that the statement of "Land Trust is meant to function like an LLC" in terms of asset protection, is true?