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All Forum Posts by: Calvin Thomas

Calvin Thomas has started 36 posts and replied 757 times.

Originally posted by @Brent Coombs:

@Calvin Thomas, you are WAY too conservative in my book. 

$250k pocket money for contingencies?! Well in that case, what do I know?...

Yea, everyone tells me I am a bit too conservative.  In NY/NJ/CT, 250k is not much sadly. 250k, is not pocket money.  That's just what I built up from my current rent flow.  As I buy more MFH, the reserves go up.  

No doubt. However, the 20% was just how much I may use from margin.  I keep around 250k in cash/CDs for emergencies on my properties.  Not worried about flood or fire damage, I just do not want any mortgages on my credit.  

Post: Two new purchases. Problem with the leases

Calvin Thomas#3 Real Estate Horror Stories ContributorPosted
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So I took over two new MFH's that already had tenants in them.  Unfortunately, the seller's lease never had any disclosure of possible lead paint.  The homes are both pre-1978.  I do not think I can give new leases with the disclosures, can I?

The seller did give me a statement that there are no known issues with lead or asbestos.  However, the renters never signed anything, and that gets me a bit concerned.

Ideas?

Originally posted by @Chad Olsen:

I come from the camp where Debt makes you Rich. I used to be of the mindset that debt is bad and that I should work to get rid of debt as fast as possible. But now that I've been on this financial education path for the last three years, I've changed. Debt is a most powerful tool when applied to real estate. There are a number of ways to look at it. 1) Through the return analysis. This is probably something that you would need to look at specifically knowing all the details about your portfolio and each property. 2) Through risk analysis. @Brent Coombs touched on a very valuable point. If you have your base money in the stock market and things go south, your entire real estate portfolio could be in jeopardy. I would recommend reading the book The Value of Debt by Thomas Anderson. 3) Through the business lense. Take a step back and think about what the big companies out there do. What does Apple or Chevron or any other company do when they need money? They take on debt at a marginal rate. Why? Because having cash on hand to show the bank that "Hey, I've done my homework and I think this is a good deal. But if something does go wrong, I have $X,000 in liquid cash sitting in your bank now." Banks will be much more likely to work with you.

I'd look into some portfolio lending on what you already have to free up the capital to purchase more and start a reserve fund. You may have to work around your entity structure some to accommodate, but in the end a number of properties will pay down your mortgage, further mitigating your risk, while giving you your capital back to do more deals.

Hope this helps. Good luck!

 I get that debt makes a person rich.  Not trying to be rich, I am just trying to maintain what I have along with some stable grow through a variety of different means.  I.E. like not having all your eggs in one basket.  

Are their any mortgages or lines of commercial credit out there that I wouldn't have to PG? Not really looking to PG anything.  As for a cushion of cash, I do keep some in cash to handle expenses and maintenance on my properties and other businesses.  Just trying to level out the risks from everything.

Originally posted by @Brent Coombs:

@Calvin Thomas, hmmm, now I am wondering, depending on the proportion of your portfolio's value that you borrow against when buying property, when the crash comes, wouldn't your risk be even GREATER than a normal mortgage (because the value of the WHOLE portfolio goes down)?

For example, if you have a one million dollar portfolio earning you 5% ($50,000/y), and you "borrow" $100,000 of it to buy you a rental investment, then all of a sudden the stock market nose dives so that your portfolio is only valued at $700,000, all of a sudden you owe your portfolio one dollar for every seven, meaning that your portfolio is only worth $600k.

But if you had only used $20k and took out a normal mortgage for the other $80k, your portfolio would still be worth $680k.

In both scenarios, the value of your property investment will likely have fallen by the same proportion, so the real question becomes: how much built-in equity did you manage to achieve to begin with?

Perhaps what I am really getting at is: if your portfolio suddenly loses 30% of its value, your $100k "borrowing" may well be called upon to be paid by you in FULL immediately, whereas an $80k mortgage may just require a re-appraisal by the Lender rather than a demand for immediate payback? (But in reality, I'm just guessing, for what it's worth)...

I can assure you the market will not just drop 30%.  I am also a RIA, so I am pretty well versed in the market.  Not perfect, but I do have over 20 years under my belt with the market.  Markets do not just drop like that.  There are breakers placed in to prevent a major drop/panic.  In addition, even the worse daily drop, excluding the flash crash which was reversed by the regulators, was in 87 at 22%.  Which, recovered I believe in about 2 months.  With that said, using only 20% of the margin shouldn't cause much of an issue.  I will have continue to test my theories and results, but it's a pretty safe bet.

Originally posted by @Brent Coombs:

@Calvin Thomas, if I understand it right, when you use your Margin Account, you are not just being charged 1% interest; you are also LOSING the interest that you would otherwise be getting. And depending on how good your portfolio is performing, that's not small change - or, is it? 

On the whole, I like your risk-averse attitude. Each potential investment should be looked on it's own merits. But If I understand it right again, if there IS another crash on its way, any money you had borrowed through your Margin Account puts you at similar risk as if you had taken out a normal mortgage? 

The moral: if the investment can't justify being bought with borrowed money (so that you still have more cash to leverage even more investments), is it such a good investment anyway? All the best...

 Just about.  They are in Vanguard funds and actual high quality bonds.  Since I selected the portfolio option, I can borrow up to nearly 80% at around 1.5% all-in-all.  Since I would only borrow around 20%, there is more than enough room to prevent a margin call.  Plus, I would use the income from the rental properties to pay off the line of credit ASAP.  The divs from the muni and corporate bonds pull in around 5%, so the account will still be generating around a 3.5% - 4% return.  It is possible that I would be open to a mortgage or a line of credit against the properties at some point, I am just trying to avoid it as much as possible.  

Post: Liability protection for main company

Calvin Thomas#3 Real Estate Horror Stories ContributorPosted
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Originally posted by @Jason Bott:

@Calvin Thomas Lead, Mold and Structural issues can all be excluded on insurance policies depending on the claim scenario.  You may want to present your concerns with your broker.

If all of your properties have common ownership, (with you owning more than 51% of each property), you can have all llc's under 1 Umbrella policy.  This way you are not wasting premiums on several lower limit policies and can get 1 policy with a higher $5M or $10M limit.

They aren't, and each property passed even though they are 50 + years old each.  The PM also give the disclosures and have them sign the waiver.  

Yep, that what I was thinking.  I am getting a bit of a push back as I have several properties.  However, I have an independent broker trying to obtain quotes for 5m for all properties.  If that fails, the backup plan would be to place a 2m rider umbrella on each policy per property.  Rather not do that later as it is going to be more expensive and a tedious task..

Thank you both for your replies.

Post: Liability protection for main company

Calvin Thomas#3 Real Estate Horror Stories ContributorPosted
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I have my portfolio setup in a fairly complex, but prudent way. I have a main LLC, which is a c-Corp. It controls the financial reserves, expenses and payroll. Each property is in it's own LLC owned by the main LLC. Each LLC also have it's own property/liability insurance. The main doesn't have any insurance, however, I was thinking of adding a 4 million umbrella just in case. I just worry about claims or issues that can happen in the future its mold, structure issues, lead, etc. Properties are in NY, NJ and CT. Am I being a bit worrisome for no reason? I worry because my main company holds significant stocks and securities, as well as being the sole owner of all my other properties.

Here we go.  Initially, I was a web guy and I founded a few large web sites, which I sold a few years ago.  I still have a few, but the large ones I sold off.  I picked up a house, a car and the rest were in Vanguard funds.  After the crash, errr correction, I started to buy up Real Estate in NY/NJ/CT college towns.  I only have a few properties, but I keep on adding one or two every year to my portfolio.  I've always purchased for cash, no mortgage.  Some, I borrowed on margin against my portfolio, and just paid it off.  At a 1% rate on margin, it beats a mortgage any day of the week.  

Others are telling me now that I should look into commercial mortgages instead of funding them myself.  I am hesitant for a few reasons.  One, I hate debt.  When I was running one of my bigger web sites, I had seven figures of debt over my head as the sole owner each month (salaries, rent, expenses, etc.).  It was a lot of pressure for me (never took VC).  I sold in early 2008.  At that point, I had a few bucks and vowed never to go back into debt.  I run a tight ship with all my businesses.  There is a daily P&L ledger for everything.  

I also structure my real estate as each property is in its own LLC, which in turn, is owned by my main corp. Each LLC has its own insurance, and my main corp has an additional 4m umbrella in case of any liabilities from my disregarded entities (LLC properties).

I am not sure how the mortgage game works, as I've never had to deal with it before. I come in as a cash buyer always. If I am sure, I write a check from my margin account to my bank account, create a note to the new LLC, and get a bank check for the amount. I know I will not be able to continue to do debt free as I grow. However, I am just hesitant about mortgages. I do not like having to give tax returns, pay stubs, notices and reasoning as to why I only have a salary at this amount. Why don't I have a staff. How can you manage all of these properties yourself (I have a PM company sub-manage everything). Maybe I am missing something. Maybe I just do not understand the rationale. I am hoping someone can guide me here. It is not that I am afraid of going into debt. I know I can always borrow from my margin, or get a line of credit against any of my properties. I just do not like not owning everything 100% and having to listen to a bank demand this or that.

What am I missing?  Or, essentially, what am I doing wrong or not understanding which is holding me back from expanding further and faster on new opportunities due to my reluctance in taking on any debt?

Thank you.