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All Forum Posts by: Shenell Caldeira

Shenell Caldeira has started 2 posts and replied 49 times.

Post: Cash Value Life Insurance VS Self Directed IRA

Shenell CaldeiraPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kailua-Kona, HI
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Jim Pfeifer:

There are a lot of good answers here!  I won't re-hash all of it, but I will say I have both high cash value life insurance polices and a self-directed 401k.  I use both for investing and find myself looking for ways to put more money into the life insurance while looking for ways to get money out of my self-directed account.  Why? Because I want to get as much of my capital into a tax free earnings bucket as I can and for me, that's real estate.  I can buy real estate syndications and never pay taxes on the gains (Lazy 1031).  With my self-directed account, I am partnering with the government because they will decide how much tax I pay and when I can take it out.  

The question was - which should someone put money into - this is an unanswerable question because each person's situation is so different and these two products are, as others have said, comparing apples and oranges.  They are both fruits, but very different.

High cash value life insurance is not an investment, but when used properly it can turbo charge your investments. The key is to have it set up correctly and for your specific situation. I used to sell these policies and the first policies I sold were to my wife and myself. I was trained to sell a specific type of insurance in a specific way - targeting high paid professionals who would use it for retirement. This is completely appropriate - except that wasn't how I was going to use it. I sold myself the wrong type of policy because I was inexperienced and I was following my training. I don't sell insurance anymore, but I still buy new policies and I have them structured by an agent I know, like and trust and someone who understands how to structure if for me to maximize cash so I can use it to turbo charge my investments. As an example, I use my cash value to buy ATM's. I take a loan against the cash value at 5.5% and put it into ATM machines which pay around 25% cash on cash. For round numbers, I take out $100,000 and pay interest of $5500 per year and earn $25,000 per year. After 4+ years, my loan and the principal is paid back and I collect ATM distributions for another 3+ years. At the end of seven years, the interest and principal is paid back and I have effectively manufactured $60,000+ in cash. For those four years that I had the insurance loan - the cash value was collateral, so the actual cash value in the policy continued to grow. I earned two returns with the same dollar and created cash out of nothing. I can't do that with a self-directed IRA.

The reason I still use the self-directed account is that I had some old 401ks that I rolled over - I use that money to invest in debt because if I invest in real estate through that account, I lose a lot of the tax advantages.

Again, it's different for each person - neither of these are bad products, they just have to be used correctly.  Yes - Suzie Orman and Dave Ramsey say whole life insurance is a scam - but as was said above, they are financial entertainers.  They have great advice for people deep into debt - they give terrible advice for people who are striving for financial freedom through investing.  Both of them own whole life insurance - they just don't think their audiences are smart enough to own it correctly.  

The key to investing is to have great partners - so if you decide to go with the self-directed IRA, whole life insurance or both - make sure that you have a partner who you know, like and trust that can give you expert advice. If you get your insurance agent from the yellow pages, be prepared to feel like whole life insurance is a scam. If you get your insurance agent from a trusted person who already uses that agent successfully, then be prepared to have a properly structured policy that can turbo charge your investments. I would say the same for any financial product.

This!!!!  It’s always based on someone’s financial situation and goals!  Mahalo for sharing!  

Post: Whole Life Insurance as a Foundation for Real Estate Investing

Shenell CaldeiraPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kailua-Kona, HI
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Tom Jensen:

I’ve recently come across the concept of “personal banking” through “overfunding” whole life insurance policies and leveraging the cash value to buy assets.

In theory it sounds like a can’t loose situation. You have a savings account tax deferred that always generates growth & yields dividends. You borrow from yourself and pay yourself back.

Has anyone had any experience with this strategy - I’ve only ever heard bad things about insurance, but it sounds like a very smart financial base, especially if you are looking to build a massive real estate portfolio.


Aloha, 

Definitely speak with a licensed financial professional, we are trained to structure the right policies for what you are looking for.  

Post: 90 Day Mastermind on Creative Finance After Listening to Pace Morby

Shenell CaldeiraPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kailua-Kona, HI
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 15

Aloha everyone!  Definitely join Paces free Creative Real Estate with Pace Morby group.  So much like minded individuals such as yourselves that you can squad up with.  

Post: Househacking a Creative Finance Deal

Shenell CaldeiraPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kailua-Kona, HI
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Katlynn Teague:

Good morning BP,

My boyfriend and I are looking to Househack a creative finance deal as our first property together. We are both full-time real estate agents who work with investors and have been getting lots of deals thrown our way to review. However, we have never done a creative finance deal before. What we are looking for is a SFH with a fully finished basement. We plan to live in the basement and rent out the upstairs of the house.

Has anyone done this? What was your experience? Anything we need to look out for? 


 Hi Katlynn

You should go to Pace Morbyʻs free FB group called "Creative Real Estate with Pace Morby", there are so much Subto Students all over the country that have done househacking and Iʻm sure there is some that would love to help you.   

Post: Hard Money Lending - $100k Enough?

Shenell CaldeiraPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kailua-Kona, HI
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Isabella Mendes:

Hi everyone, 

I have 350k I need to invest asap into something that gives me a return every month so I can live off that money in Brazil. I'm in Florida. Thought about real estate, or hard money. I just want to be sure I'm safe because thats all the money I have left. I'm not working and I have been having difficulties finding a job. What can I do ? Choices? Also I'm having a hard time making a decision so I would appreciate someone figuring out for me. Thank you

Isabella


 HI Isabella, if you qualify, have you thought about leveraging life insurance to protect your money while using it money to build your capital?  

Post: What I wish Pace Morby would have told me

Shenell CaldeiraPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kailua-Kona, HI
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Michael Evans:
Quote from @Zachary McDonough:
Quote from @Vince Mayer:

This is not a sub 2 deal. This is a VA assumption.


 Explain how they are different. I must be ignorant. Because upon talking with Pace Morby students, I was under the impression that it is a form of sub to.


WOW, you could have save a lot of time and headaches, not to mention lost sleep if you had followed Pace's methods. You did not even need to talked to the bank. The seller should have been able to provide the mortgage information ie: latest statements and property tax bills (I would have wanted to look at at leasts the last 6 months). Then got all the utility bills and any other expense information together to make sure they are current and any contractors and vendors had been paid. The Title company and a GOOD transaction coordinator should handle the rest. My take...


Definitely agree!  Having the right title company/closing attorney and TC wouldʻve definitely made the deal easier.  

Post: Agents with Subject 2 experience

Shenell CaldeiraPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kailua-Kona, HI
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Benjamin Krebs:
Quote from @Armand P.:

Hi BP,

Looking to network with agents from the bay area who have advance knowledge with subject 2 and can execute a transaction from start to finish. Please reach out

Armand

Join the Facebook group called Creative Real Estate with Pace Morby. Post in there asking for a Unicorn Agent in the Bay Area and I'm sure you'll find a few. You may also consider using a transaction coordinator. Hope things work out for you!

 I agree!  You will find a lot of unicorn agents there.  

Post: Is it even possible to get DSCR loan?

Shenell CaldeiraPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kailua-Kona, HI
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 15

You should definitely just try and see if they are able to assist. We work with a lending company that offers DSCR Loans. Pls lmk how I can help and I can share information with you

Post: Gap funding

Shenell CaldeiraPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kailua-Kona, HI
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 15
Quote from @Kathy Utiss:

I started a nonprofit to assist in ending homelessness in America. My business partner is able to issue IUL. We have a 28 unit hotel we're currently working thru the process on. With us being a nonprofit we work on donations. With the hotel we're currently doing or on any other projects he can create an IUL. He then donates the commission he makes. Using an IUL does some interesting things once funded. This hotel may not be everyone's favorite cup of tea. As it's been non performing. By utilizing section 8 income we will turn it into a property that is insured beyond belief and make over $ 418,000 gross $320,268 net. We can still choose how much to pay someone to operate it if necessary. By donating the owner will have the money they want. By everyone donating we all win. Owner, buyer, and the bank. Cha cha do it again :)  


 Wow this is awesome!  This is such a great way and solution to ending homelessness.  My husband and I are licensed financial professionals and we love to educate on IULʻs or different types of policies that can assist in situations such as these!  What a great opportunity for you guys.

Post: The Power Of Seller Financing

Shenell CaldeiraPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Kailua-Kona, HI
  • Posts 61
  • Votes 15

Aloha!  Would love to learn more about your class.  I am a realtor in Hawaii and would definitely like to see what has been working for you and others.