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All Forum Posts by: Philip Bourdon

Philip Bourdon has started 26 posts and replied 82 times.

Thanks Marc. You have been a great example to me. There is a possibility that someone very nice may come about soon. A man called me who is looking to buy his Ex a house (I don't even want to know the story behind that). He wants to pay cash, and I have it listed at $5500. We were going to meet with the owner today, but she is packing and her little dogs are all upset. So, showing the house to this buyer is delayed. He has been looking at much more expensive places (as well as 3 bd), so I hope that my asking price is more in line with his desires. Sure, i was planning to finance, but cash is king. I'm staying on top of the situation. We shall see!

Post: A Possible Quick Sale After my First Purchase

Philip BourdonPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 14

Hi. Just last Sunday I signed an agreement for a 2/1 14'x56' oldie (69 RitzCraft) that is in excellent condition with AC and Gas Furnace> The price was $2750. I had just attended a Lonnie Scruggs Bootcamp exactly two weeks earlier.

I put out ads right away and will have an appointment to show the home on Sunday to a man who wants to pay cash!! I wanted to finance and make it a "Lonnie Deal," but cash is king (advertised at $5500 cash. I'll show my CList ad below. I'm excited.

Post: I JUST CLOSED MY FIRST DEAL !!!!!!!

Philip BourdonPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 14

How wonderfully excited and satisfied you must be. Now, you are an inspiration to others to stay at it, think creatively and then win. You role here is forever changed. You are no longer a Newbie looking for advice; now you're someone with success and experience. Keep it up!

First, thanks to folks like Terry Drake, J Scott and some others who have been an inspiration to me. Here's what happened.

Lonnie had what might be his last Boot Camp in Norfolk, VA at very end of Oct. Actually, Jackie Lange from Cash Flow Depot organized it, but Lonnie was incredible. Some fellow student even made a deal one of the evenings we were there.

What I started to do was to contact (as Lonnie STRONGLY suggests) Park Managers (around Pittsburgh it's mostly owners). A couple were not interested in working with me but several were. I also drove around just getting familiar with the parks and talking it up (oh, you can learn much that way). I'm at a point where I have no problem just knocking on a door or just chatting it up.

I also responded to a variety of ads (but always talking it up with the owners). Today I bought an older (1969) 2/1 for 42750. Outside of needing an exterior paint job, it's in great shape. It has a large shed, AC, includes frig, stove and stackable washer/dryer, has tip-out which makes a large living room, two car parking port and carpet less than two years old. Overall, it's in very nice shape.

The lady is moving in a month and started at $3500 (she paid over $4200 two years ago). We got down to $2750. It's a 14'x56'.

Of course, a la Lonnie, I kept asking questions and did my best to listen. It was important to hear why she was moving and what her plans were. It's good that I genuinely enjoy hearing what people share, so my interest authentic. I believe people will know when you care and when you don't. For instance, she did share that the photo on the wall (when I asked about it) was of her late husband. I knew from my own girlfriend (who lost her husband about 4 years ago) that it takes a long time to "move on." I was able to address that issue with her with authenticity and sympathy. THAT KIND OF LISTENING AND CARING BUILDS TRUST.

I was also honest with her regarding my intentions as well as the fact that I was new to this and wasn't real experienced at negotiating. Being authentic and honest and being a shady wheeler dealer is the best way.

I learned that she was, in her words, willing to "negotiate " and be "flexible." In Lonnie's words, I told her that I knew she could do better and wondered how better. She did go down to 3k. I suggested with cash $2500. She said nothing for awhile and looked like she was "shutting down". I simply responded spontaneously and said, "Why don't you give me a counter-offer." At this point she said $2750 and we had a deal.

I know that I will get better at this, so I'm not worried that I might have gotten her down lower. I'm confident that with financing this is a very good deal. It's a solid, well-kept home that is a true turn-key.

Enough already. To the rest of you who have not done a deal. You have to get oit there consistently and see the aprks, talk to the people, talk to managers/owners and respond to ads. MOST PEOPLE WHO CALL ON ADS NEVER GET THERE BACKSIDES OUT TO THE PARKS!!!Be proactive. Make this part of your schedule. Pretend that it's your part-time job that will make you a great career. Lonnie didn't make his fortune by watching football Sundays or wasting time on his day off. This is essentially a numbers game. Do the work of research. Get out there and do it. Blessings to you.

Hopefully I will have photos soon. I'm already working on marketing it and will be able to show it before she leaves. I'm hoping to get around $200 or so per month for about 36 months. I am being VERY CAREFUL about advertising it since we all must be careful regarding fair lending laws (I won't even go into the Safe Act here). AS Lonnie suggests, I'll be saying nothing more than "reasonable and negotiable terms."

Post: Free Mobile Home - Back Taxes?

Philip BourdonPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 14

Hi. I will be looking this weekend at a free MH in a park. I spoke to the park owner who said that there was about $1100 in what he called "property taxes" that were overdo.

Howb can there be "property taxes" on personal property? (The previous owner just skipped town)

Wouldn't property taxes be the owners resposnibility as he is the owner of the land/lot?

What could he have meant (he's togh to get ahold of)?

Also, what other liens could be involved? Water is paid by the park.

Thanks,

Philip

Post: Feeling the pain of my first purchase

Philip BourdonPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 14

Sherry, when you said this, my heart sank for you:

I'm so glad that you listened to Jon and other wise/experienced investors.

Yet, if I may play amateur psychologist. The fact that you seemed about to go ahead with the deal despite the fact that there were fraudulent misrepresentations and so many others here were telling you not to and what the serious potential losses could be tells me that you were almost willing to put on the victim (if not sucker) hat.

I have worn that sucker hat. I am still paying off debt from 5 years ago (and ruined my credit score). I think I lost about 10-12 grand.

I know you are going through a turmoil of feelings. However, be careful of that part of you that was willing to put your neck in the guillotine because you didn't want to start your business out by breaking a contract (a fraudulent one)

If you had gone through with that deal it would feel to me as if I was watching someone who just got mugged apologize to the mugger for not making the situation easier for him and then inviting him to continue!

Time to show him some teeth!

Post: Issues talking to buyers

Philip BourdonPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 14

It appears that besides wholesaling, your concerns needs to be how do you sell from bulk properties out of your area. That takes an experienced veteran who knows exactly how to operate in that venue. It adds a whole new dimension to the process.

Brittany, you said:

It sounds like you are developing a buyer's list as you are trying to sell properties. As I read what the wholesale veterans say, you need to develop a buyer's list before you start to market the properties.

How are you getting their numbers anyway? I would be curious about that if I was in their place. You also said:

That seems to be a logical process and you are doing the right (and necessary) thing.

I know nothing about buying in bulk and buying in areas you don't know anything about. Unless you have some sort of contact/partner in these areas that are far from you, how can you speak with any knowledge and authority about that market and whether or not what you have is a good deal? If I was to pick up from a seller that they didn't know my area and hadn't even been to that house, that seller already has a strike or two against her.

Post: Best way to increase value

Philip BourdonPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 14

Aaron, you asked:

Isn't that what he is asking us? Namely, besides the "typical" rehab, isn't he asking the rest of us what else might he do? He mentioned selling it three times. What else could he possibly do but rehab it if he intends to sell it?

Otherwise, Kathy and Sherry's advice seem sound. Know what pays off remodeling/wise in that area so that you don't miss what is important in the local market as well as paying for something that will give you small returns.

It can even come done to what is the "favorite" type of wood for the kitchens; a lighter maple or a darker cherry? How important/not important are kitchen islands? How necessary will well designed recessed and under cabinet lighting be for a great kitchen in that local market? Do your research.

Post: Wholesaling a property with back taxes

Philip BourdonPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 14

Pardon me, but I'm confused. All the answers you received are logical and reasonable, but unless you tell us what the conservative ARV is for this property, how can anyone provide even a remotely intelligent reponse?

Unless the ARV is around 75-80K, then it's shaky. If it's over that, then what everyone said is applicable.

Post: Buying mobile homes

Philip BourdonPosted
  • Pittsburgh, PA
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 14

Rob says:

Ken,
I love how aggressive you are in your marketing!!

With that said, mobile homes are a pain. you have fees from the parks, banks will not lend to anyone on them, and your tenants/buyers are usually a lot of work to deal with.

What is your motivation to work with mobile homes instead of a traditional home?

You can buy homes without cash or credit, and they are a lot easier to sell. Just my 2 cents.

Rob, I respect your experience and your points. However, name any single REI venue and you find some investor who finds fault with it. I recall at a local REI conference that one "semi-guru" did not feel investing in multi-units was good because of potential inter-tenant communication problems. Obviously, those who have made a killing in that feel differently.

I have seen Terry Drake (and others) doing well with MH. It does work for many people. Everyone is different and feels comfortable with different approaches.

If Ken wishes to take this approach, then it's Ken's choice. If you have had personal experience with MHs and with the buyers (that's a Lonnie Deal), then by all means, share that. If you haven't, then you merely sharing theoretical knowledge.

Essentially, his question is about finding and doing Lonnie deals and not the pros and cons about them. yes, I know that you know much more about REI than I do, but why not respect his choice?