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All Forum Posts by: Brett Synicky

Brett Synicky has started 25 posts and replied 689 times.

Post: Has anyone moved their 401K to a self directed real estate one?

Brett Synicky
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  • Solo 401k and SDIRA Consultant
  • Orange, CA
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Quote from @Rochelle Gerber:

I may leave a current employer and therefore I believe I will be eligible to turn my 401k into a real estate investment product. Pros and cons? ability to use the whole amount and how so ?

You’re most likely going to consider SDIRA or Solo 401k.  Both will allow your retirement dollars to invest in real estate and much more.  The IRA will have UDFI tax on leveraged real estate where the 401k will not.   IRA annual max 7k vs 401k $69k.  Solo 401k requires self employment with no full time employees other than you and a spouse.  Hope this helps. 

Post: Should I start a property management company?

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  • Orange, CA
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Quote from @Shaun Hunt:

I have purchased six properties. They have been assigned to my LLC, Hunt Family Properties LLC.

I do my own property management for those properties.

Would it make a difference if I started a property management company and hired myself to manage my own properties? Would it be a wasted effort if I did?

As of now, we pay our kids to collect the rent each month. They are paid through a DBA we started.

Also, unrelated, how do I keep my profile picture from rotating 90 degrees. It will be ok one day, then flipped the next.

Thanks!


 @Shaun, many people looking to self direct their retirement who already own rentals actually establish a PM business (usually sole prop for simplicity) to become eligible for a Solo 401k.  There is some nuance to the situation if you add your children as employees vs 1099.  Learn more here:  Solo 401k

Post: SD Roth IRA Investing In Syndication - Transfer Depreciation?

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Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

I'm just looking forward to the future when I may wish to invest in a syndication through a Roth IRA.

Correct me if I'm wrong but since the Roth IRA has no tax liability, the depreciation deduction is basically lost.

I'm curious, is there a way in a syndication to shift that depreciation that is of no use to me to another partner who can take advantage of it? If so, is there a way to get some compensation for giving them this depreciation? 

I’m late to the party but I’ll add something.  Firstly, private lending in an IRA is a great way to go for a couple reasons.  You avoid the UDFI and it can be very passive especially if you invest in a mortgage fund.  DM me if you want me to introduce you to some companies that offer such funds.  

Here’s my late addition.  Figure out how to qualify for a Solo 401k then you avoid altogether UDFI/UBIT on leveraged real estate. Annual contributions are 10x higher than an IRA and the plan has Roth and traditional built in.   Both spouses can participate, doubling the benefits.  Learn more here:   Solo 401k

Post: I’m looking for a bank which offers non-recourse loans

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Quote from @Brad Tarry:

I'm am looking for a bank which offers non-recourse loans so that I may refinance a home I own under a self directed IRA. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.


 Here's a compiled list on BP:   Non-recourse lenders

Post: 401k funds comingled with other investor cash

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@Dana Brash only you are restricted to the disqualified party rules.  Most important will be your 401k sharing in the income and expenses pro rata according to the original investment breakdown.  Recommend consulting a tax advisor before moving forward with this. There are several here on BP who understand self directed retirement accounts.  @Ashish Acharya @Nicholas Aiola @Michael Plaks

Post: IRA UBIT with Comm Real Estate

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@Art Webb yes there is.  Unless the loan paid off free and clear for at least 12 months. 

Post: IRA UBIT with Comm Real Estate

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Quote from @Art Webb:

If I buy multi family comm real estate via a RE LLC company with my Roth IRA does the rent income become UBIT taxable ? If the property is paid in cash and later a mortgage is secured does it impact the UBIT question above ? Thank you for your feedback !

It's true that the IRA will incur UDFI/UBIT on the income derived from the same % leveraged. What's also true is that you can deduct expenses and even depreciation on this same % and subtract the first $1000 before calculating the UBIT. It's true it does scale up to 37% but not until around $12k of income after those deductions. Generally in the first year or more you'll have enough of those to not really incur any UBIT on especially when you factor in cost seg. Don't let UDFI on leveraged real estate scare you away from investing in your IRA, it can still make you a lot of retirement money.

Even better, get some self employment activity and sponsor a solo 401k then no UBIT on leveraged real estate!   

Post: Mid Term Rental under Solo 401K Plan

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Quote from @Eden Meng:

Hi Wonderful BP Community,

I am in the process of acquiring an out of state property for mid term rental. The proceeds used to acquire the property will be from my solo 401K. I have my team on the ground when it comes to real estate agent, cleaner or other critical team members to make the property up and running. I have reviewed the IRC publication for prohibit transactions between the plan and a disqualified person which contain a few criteria including selling, exchanging and leasing the property. I dived deeper on the " leasing property part" and the only clarification is not to lease the property to disqualified persons. I would like to clarify if there is a possibility that I could be the leasing agent for the property?

Your input is greatly appreciated !

Eden

It’s probably best to pay a third party to do this, especially not living near the property.  That said, an easy way to think about what a disqualified party can do/not do is this:  You can do white collar work, not blue collar work.  I’ve heard attorneys who specialize in self directed retirement accounts say you can put the lease agreement together and even show the property to prospective tenants and
of course you could manage it.  You can’t swing a hammer you have to hire somebody to swing the hammer.  Again best to hire all this out for various reasons not the least of which is if somebody needs to be evicted. 

Post: Benefits of self-directed IRAs

Brett Synicky
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  • Solo 401k and SDIRA Consultant
  • Orange, CA
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Quote from @Mohit Gupta:

Following. Just starting to research how to invest w/ SDIRAs. 

I'm confused why would you say that rental income is taxed in an IRA? May be you meant that the IRA has deferred-tax funds and not Roth?

How about using SDIRAs not to hold assets but to operate businesses? For example, could I use my SDIRA to operate a management company that charges my holding LLCs a management fee? Now the paper losses are still able to be realized via the holding companies while the management fees are earned tax free? I'm guessing though that since the IRA owner isn't allowed to take out a salary, perhaps the SDIRA LLC will be required to hire employees?


 This would be a prohibited transaction since you're a disqualified party and anything you already own (your LLCs) is part of that. Additionally if you're running an active business in the IRA the income will have to pay UBIT. There are some creative ways to get it from 37% to corporate tax rate of 21% but generally it's best to invest passively as the IRA is designed.

Post: Benefits of self-directed IRAs

Brett Synicky
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Quote from @Ryan Daulton:

Since learning that cash flow from real estate that was purchased from self-directed IRAs is taxed, and that I would not be able to claim depreciation on this property, what are the advantages to buying real estate with self-directed IRAs vs. other investment types like stocks and mutual funds?  

It seems like there are so many limitations to buying real estate with self-directed IRAs.  For those that do invest in real estate using this, what are your reasons?  Are there any benefits I may not be aware of here?

You would only pay taxes on all passive investments in a traditional SDIRA at distribution, unless you have a mortgage, then the portion of the income derived because of the mortgage will be subject to UDFI (unrelated debt finance income) which will trigger UBIT (unrelated business income tax). This tax scales up to 37% but not till around $12,500k in income for the year. Before the income subject to UBIT is calculated you can depreciate and deduct expenses and losses on that portion of the income so generally it's not as bad as people think. So it's not correct to say you cannot depreciate real estate in an IRA.

Bear in mind, you're not investing in a retirement account to take advantage of tax deductions, as there are no taxes. I suggest buying real estate inside of and outside of your IRA or better yet qualify for a Solo 401k then you don't have to worry about UBIT on leveraged real estate.  Additionally, keep in mind if you do this in a Roth then there are NO taxes on the appreciation, rental income or profits when the Roth liquidates the asset.  Also the loan for a retirement account must be non-recourse.  Something else to think about, when's the last time somebody gave you a loan to buy more S&P 500?   Like @Chris Seveney said, private lending is a great way to go as well.