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All Forum Posts by: Bruce D. Kowal

Bruce D. Kowal has started 34 posts and replied 265 times.

Post: Transition from active to passive investment

Bruce D. Kowal
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  • Metro NY + New Bedford
  • Posts 268
  • Votes 184
Quote from @Jim Pfeifer:

I was an active investor and completely transitioned into passive real estate syndication investing. I live in Columbus, Ohio - and have a great accountant who taught me what he calls the "Lazy 1031" strategy. Basically, I sold all of my active real estate - single family and multifamily and invested much of the capital into syndications. The syndications did cost segregation and used bonus depreciation to deliver me large paper losses that offset the gains from the properties I sold. I did not pay tax on my gains and I didn't have to do anything complicated like a 1031 Exchange or a DST. The only thing I had to do was make sure I had enough paper loss to offset all of the gains and had to make sure it was done in the same calendar year.

I continue to use the strategy - when deals go full cycle, I invest in a new syndication.  It's called the Golden Hamster Wheel - instead of 1031 until you die, you just continue reinvesting and defer the tax.  I have been doing this for several years and I don't pay tax on my real estate gains.

You mentioned the challenge of finding a clear voice through the noise - it is difficult to find quality operators in the syndication space.  Many of the best have plenty of capital so they don't advertise.  Many operators are great podcasts and are very well known, but how do you know if they are quality operators or quality marketers?  These are incredibly illiquid, long-term investments that are completely out of your control.  Once you make the investment, there is nothing you can do but watch and wait.  This makes it even more critical that you find quality operators to do that.  When I first started, I mainly found operators through listening to podcasts.  I was exposed to some great operators - and plenty who are not so great.  This is a hard way to find business partners. Now, I leverage my Community - I don't invest in a new operator unless they are recommended to me by someone I know, like and trust and that person is part of my Community and has invested with the operator.  I still do the same due diligence on the operator, but I am starting from a much better position - a position of trust.  It has made a huge difference in the success of my investments.  I strongly believe you need a Community - just like you came to BP for help with active investing, it makes sense to find a specific Community (or several!) that focuses on real estate syndication investing.  

We are both in Columbus - so let me know if you would like to connect!

Simply great advice, Mr. Pfeifer. Required reading, to be sure. I would add that any investment should have equal or better returns than a good REIT ETF, such as from Vanguard or Fidelity. That is the baseline for really passive investing. The return which they post assume reinvestment of dividends, I believe. Here is an example: Vanguard Real Estate ETF [VNQ]

I have seen a lot of PPM's from syndicators, and it's very hard to find reliable ones. As you mentioned, the good ones don't need to advertise. What I have seen is commingling of accounts and Ponzi schemes. At the very least a new investor in a syndication should demand a copy of the tax return, and then look at the balance sheet. You should NOT see a lot of loans to and from the LLC. And you should clearly see syndication costs as a non-depreciable assets. In any event, run that balance sheet by an experienced CPA.

Post: Checking my CPA's performance with another CPA.

Bruce D. Kowal
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  • Metro NY + New Bedford
  • Posts 268
  • Votes 184

Spend some time educating yourself in real estate taxation.  Take courses offered to CPA's by State Societies.  If those courses are now in-person, so much the better.  You can talk with professionals there.  For something as important this, you cannot delegate 100%.  Read professional literature on this, such the excellent online version of The Tax Adviser.  Read  CPA blogs on taxation, look for real estate topics.  Reddit has some good blogs.  Generally, I don't want to review someone else's work - unless you make me an irresistible offer.

Post: Real Estate Professional Qualifications

Bruce D. Kowal
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  • Metro NY + New Bedford
  • Posts 268
  • Votes 184
Quote from @Bruce Schulz:

I'm a newbie RE investor who is looking to see if I can qualify as a RE Professional.  I'm documenting my RE-related hours and wanted to know if I can include drive time to/from appointments/drive-for-$$/etc.  Thanks for the feedback.


 The hours must be reasonable, and you must be credible.

Post: Can't Find The Owner (Behind an LLC) of adjacent property

Bruce D. Kowal
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  • Metro NY + New Bedford
  • Posts 268
  • Votes 184

Start here:  https://apps.dos.ny.gov/public...

You know there is a reason they try to hide their ownership, right?

Try to find the attorney who did the filing, and get in touch with him/her.

Post: Material Participation - what constitutes good recordkeeping?

Bruce D. Kowal
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  • Metro NY + New Bedford
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IRS will challenge the 750-hour requirement under §469(c)(7)(B)(ii).   The Temp Regs set forth the requirements to establish hours of participation §1.469-5T(f)(4):  

"The extent of an individual's participation in an activity may be established by any reasonable means.  Contemporaneous daily time reports, logs, or similar document are not required if the extent of such participation may be established by other reasonable means.  Reasonable  means  . . .may include but are not limited to the identification of services performed over a period of time, and the approximate number of hours spent performing such services during such period, based on appointment books, calendars, or narrative summaries."

Fine.  How does this work out in an IRS audit?  Fortunately in a Tax Court case from 2018, IRS challenged Roberta Birdsong's 750 hours [Birdsong v.  CIR, T.C. Memo 2018-148  https://www.courtlistener.com/...].  She won her case.  

This is how her record keeping was characterized. This is worth reading.

"[She] was the sole party actively involved in the day-to-day management of their rental properties.  These tasks included, inter alia, cleaning common areas, collecting coins from washing machines, performing repairs at their properties, communicating with tenants, collecting and depositing rent, maintaining insurance policies purchasing materials for the properties as needed, paying bills and keeping book and records for tax accounting purposes.  She occasionally hired a contractor (such as handyman or plumber) to perform tasks she could not complete herself.  When she hired a contractor . . .[she] spent considerable time researching and contacting contractors, obtaining price quotes, and supervising repairs.  [Her] management duties also included inspecting units, preparing (painting and supervising contractors) units for rental, advertising vacant units, screening potential tenants, showing the units, and processing rental applications."

Good grief!  She was busy.  And what kind of record keeping system satisfied the Tax Court Judge?

"[She] produced two spreadsheets detailing her rental management activities.  The first spreadsheet reflects that [she] logged 844.75 hours managing the rental properties . . .  The second spreadsheet includes previously omitted tasks such as investor hours and driving time between rental properties and the hardware store and other locations pertinent to the management of the units.  [She] used her calendar and receipts to reconstruct the time entries on both spreadsheet for the first half of 2014.  For the second half of 2014, the time entries come from a contemporaneous log [she] maintained on her phone on which she entered the date, location, time, and description of each task she performed.  [She] wife receipts and invoices that substantiate the hours she logged."

At the hearing in the US Tax Court, Mrs. Birdsong represented herself.  She did not use a tax lawyer.  This is called "Pro Se".  Likely, she was well coached by the CPA who prepared her tax return.  What did the Judge think of her testimony?

"[She] testified credibly and in detail about [her] active and extensive management of the rental properties.  [Footnote 5:  We find [her] to be honest, forthright, and credible]. Furthermore, [she] presented detailed spreadsheets that reflected [her] rental management activities exceeded the 750-hour requirement.  We find [her] narrative summary and thorough time logs convincing because [she] owned numerous rental units that she operated alone.  [Her] testimony is further buttressed by [her] thorough time-keeping as well as the receipts and invoices [she] produced to corroborate her time logs."

Is there a lesson here?  Sure. It's obvious.  Keep detailed contemporaneous logs of time and expenses.  Work with a competent CPA to oversee this during the year.

As for 2022, yes, five months have elapsed, but it's not too late to reconstruct a log from January and get on the straight and narrow path to defending your Real Estate Professional status in 2022.  Consult your CPA about this.  Always assume you will be audited, and you will prevail.

This is the type of information you should expect to find on Bigger Pockets.  Right?

[If you found this to be useful, don't forget to give me a thumbs up!]

Post: Best legal setup for investing with other partnerships

Bruce D. Kowal
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  • Metro NY + New Bedford
  • Posts 268
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Quote from @Jeffrey Fecko:

I am considering investing in a duplex with another partnership but I am unsure the best way to go about setting things up legally should I proceed with the deal. My fiance and I are looking to invest with another couple who reached out to us about a duplex deal they found. However, I'm unsure the best way for us to set things up legally should we proceed. We would likely need to finance through a traditional mortgage. The idea I have is that we each form an LLC. These two LLC's then start a third LLC as "partners" and that third LLC is essentially the owner of the property. Is this even legally possible? I'm not sure what the best way to go about it is. I'm trying to protect ourselves as much as possible and also want to be able to make my own investments in the future without this other couple having any control over them.

Any advise is greatly appreciated


Start with the mortgage company. What kind of ownership structures can be used. The mortgage company is the tail wagging the dog. Consult with a real estate attorney about fractional ownership. You may be precluded from deferring gain on sale under §1031 if the structure is an LLC. Maybe speak with a Qualified Intermediary now, before you set up the structure. In other words, let the mortgage company give you a range of ownership structures, and run that by a QI.

Post: Can I rely upon my tax preparer to avoid IRS penalties?

Bruce D. Kowal
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  • Metro NY + New Bedford
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IRS is not shy about disputing claims to Real Estate Professional status.  It's an easy desk audit for IRS.  They query Schedule E losses.  And if IRS challenges your claim to be a Real Estate Professional they will slap on a 20% negligence penalty. §6662(a) and (b)(2).  

So, can you at least blame the tax preparer?  You know, tell IRS that you relied upon the advice of a professional?  Possibly.  You have to demonstrate that you acted with reasonable cause and in good faith.

OK. So what are the requirements?

1]  You must show that the Adviser [the person who prepared your return] had sufficient expertise to justify that reliance

2] the taxpayer provided necessary and accurate information to the adviser, and

3] that the taxpayer actually relied in good faith on the Adviser's judgment.

What does this mean in the real world?

You should get a written Opinion from the Adviser wherein he is able to list all the facts and circumstances, and apply the Tax Law to those.  That's it, really.  

In the case of REP status, the Adviser should be well grounded in IRC §469(c)(7) and IRC Reg. §1.469-5T et seq.  as well as recent case law [this is very important].  The Opinion is what protects you from the 20% penalty.  [actually the penalty could be 10% if the dollar amount of the understatement is low enough. But this is unlikely when disallowing your deductions]

So, if IRS prevails in its dispute with you, at least you will save on penalties.  

What is the cost-benefit of getting an Opinion?  Well if you took $30,000 in losses, which IRS later disallowed, you may owe $10,000.  And the penalty on that is $2,000.  That's an idea of the benefit.  The penalty you could avoid.

What is the cost?  It depends.  I would charge between $1,000 and $2,000 for such a letter with simple facts and circumstances.  More complex, more billable hours. Could be much higher.  

Is it worth it to seek advice from a competent tax adviser?  Like most things in life, you get what you pay for.  And all readers of Bigger Pockets who have to deal with professionals of all stripes have learned that lesson in spades.

And, not to state the obvious, my advice here is my opinion.  Nothing less and nothing more.

Post: Retirement Isn’t An Age, It’s A Financial Number.

Bruce D. Kowal
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  • Metro NY + New Bedford
  • Posts 268
  • Votes 184

You do realize that you represent less than one half of one percent of Americans.  Enjoy

Post: First time investor from Tech

Bruce D. Kowal
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  • Metro NY + New Bedford
  • Posts 268
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No one asked me, but with that savings, you should consider medical school.  

Post: LLC tax return: How much should it cost? Seeking Bay Area CPA

Bruce D. Kowal
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  • Metro NY + New Bedford
  • Posts 268
  • Votes 184

If it is done incorrectly, there is penalty and interest.   Weight the full consequences before you complain about a CPA's fees.