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All Forum Posts by: Brandon McCombs

Brandon McCombs has started 22 posts and replied 89 times.

Post: does a build-out have any bearing on cap rate?

Brandon McCombsPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Fairmont, WV
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 19

Does a commercial build-out of offices in an office/retail space have any bearing on cap rate? For example, suppose I had an appraisal conducted with a proposed floor plan of a building I'm renovating after a fire with no offices built (not a shell but just a finished, open floor plan) and the cap rate in that appraisal was 9.0%. Then I have an appraisal conducted with a floor plan that dictates a full build-out of the same space to create offices with kitchenettes, bathrooms, storage closets, etc. then should the 2nd appraisal still reflect a 9.0% cap rate or can the cap rate be lowered by the build-out?

thanks

Post: letter of intent on commercial property vs appraisal comps

Brandon McCombsPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Fairmont, WV
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 19

Hi Stan,

Thanks for your reply. Any idea the timing requirement for the actual lease in relation to receiving the appraisal results? It probably depends on the bank but are we talking maybe having the lease executed within a couple weeks of receiving the appraisal would be well within a normal period of time that a bank would allow that to occur to allow the lease to override the appraisal? I assume the lease is necessary since a LOI isn't binding?

Post: letter of intent on commercial property vs appraisal comps

Brandon McCombsPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Fairmont, WV
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 19

Hello,

Unfortunately I've yet to find a forum for appraisers so bankers/lenders/brokers it is.

If I have a letter of intent from a commercial tenant in which the lease rate is potentially 2x what an appraiser says is the market rate in his report to my bank then what is the likelihood the appraiser is going to use the lease rate in my LOI to override his market research vs the other way around which would kill my loan request with the bank due to the projected NOI being insufficient for the DSCR?

Anyone have experience with that type of situation?

thank you

We've already started to work with another lender. Commercials banks aren't obligated to make the deal work however they should be obligated to ensure the appraisal is fair and factual especially with this many factual issues and an appraiser who certified he inspected it when he didn't. Although they may usually trust the appraiser, in this case we pointed out factual errors with the report with evidence to back them up that should have made them distrust the appraiser. I guess I'll have to hope another appraiser will have a difference of opinion as the official word on just how off-base the first appraiser was.

Hello everyone,

Apologies for the long post but I think it's warranted to see the magnitude of the factually inaccurate appraisal I received recently. I recently dealt with a bank who had approved my loan request through 2 bank committees and then ordered my appraisal. The appraisal company valued my building's ARV at about half of what we needed for the loan so the bank denied the loan. However, upon further investigation of the appraisal report it seems the appraiser was way off base. I'll summarize as best as I can the factual issues we had with the appraisal. We presented these issues to the bank who stated we had made valid points and then, without asking us, gave the comments to the appraiser company. The appraisers' response was they weren't going to make any amendments. As a result the loan officer stated he had a discussion with the chief lending officer, the CEO and the chief credit officer and they all decided another appraisal wasn't warranted. I was floored. I thought if an appraisal this bad didn't warrant another appraisal then what would?

Here are the issues. Some of these stemmed from obvious copy and paste issues from another appraisal while others just seem to point to being a horrible appraiser:

1. Appraisal objective was incorrect stating that we were taking the first floor office space and converting it into a 2 bedroom apartment. The building is a 3 story mixed-used apt building that we're keeping mixed-used with 6 apartments on 2nd and 3rd floors and retail/office on first floor.

2. There is both on and off street parking but the report says only on street is available. I offered the easement doc to show there actually is off-street parking available but the appraisers didn't care.

3. Location map used Delorme Street map data from 2009 (since then a new overpass/exit was constructed from the interstate that passes 1 block from our building to provide quick access to the highway which dramatically affects its location considerations.

4. Flood map also is outdated by not reflecting this new interstate accessibility.

5. Cable company is incorrect; referenced company hasn't been in the area for over 5 years. This obviously is minor but it shows the appraisers didn't pay attention to using accurate, valid and current information.

6. This is a complete reconstruction after a fire and the only components remaining is the roof and exterior walls. All infrastructure components had to be ripped out due to needing to comply with code. But the appraisers mentioned in the improvements section that only new plumbing was going to be installed and only on the first floor. They disregarded an entirely new HVAC system, fire suppression throughout, as well as new plumbing and electrical throughout.

7. In the as-is sales approach the appraisers only adjusted 15% for 'interior finishings', which I'm sure was in reference to the fact the building is currently completely gutted and uninhabitable. As a result of this small 15% adjustment their as-is value calculation deemed the building's market value at only 15k below the sale price from 6 months earlier, for a completely uninhabitable building with no infrastructure. Go figure! I would have thought at least 30% was necessary as an adjustment.

8. The building was used as its own comp in the as-is sales approach and was in that section is referenced as being built pre-1900s but it was built in 1925.

9. An as-is sales comp for an office building was found to have been sold by the bank we were using for a sale price that was discounted 35% and the MLS listing is listed as "priced below appraisal". We believed this qualified as a non-arm's-length transaction and therefore shouldn't have been used as a sales comp. An office space that used to be rented by US Cellular was used as a leased retail space comp however I know that US Cellular had already left that location so I don't think that this could have been fairly used as a comp for leased commercial space.

10. The appraisers used a RealtyRates survey for national cap rates from 4th quarter 2014 even though the appraisal was conducted in Feb 2017.

11. Appraisers chose a 9% cap rate and didn't justify why that was chosen. They specified that the cap rate range in the area is 7.5% to 10.5% but otherwise no justification for why 9 was selected.

12. The rental analysis section stated that commercial and apt rents were examined for similar design and condition but never specified the design and condition that was being considered. Upon performing our own homework, by calling the people whose apartments were used as comps, we found that 1 apt building's property mgr (a community development company) purposely set below market rates to assist local residents. Their units though had not been renovated in at least 5 years and didn't provide any air conditioning nor had any in-unit laundry facilities. Another building that was referenced as a comp was completely vacant and was no longer on the rental market. And the 3rd apartment rental listed in the appraisal didn't even have a rental value listed for it (the appraisers were sloppy) so we had to call the owners and found out it was actually on par with the design and condition of our units and was being rented for exactly what our projected rent was (and the bank had agreed with) for a 3BR unit. However, for no reason whatsoever the appraisers stated our rents would be 2/3 of this rent for the same BR/BA configuration even though our units would have in-unit laundry while the comp only had hookups. This last comp is a block from our building so it was essentially the same location and the apt was located above a commercial business just like ours will be.

13. The appraisers stated our apts would garner lower rent than what we were getting before the casualty loss and below what HUD's FMRs are for the area. They did not know what our rents were prior to the fire but the rents they specified in the report were effectively lower than what we were getting before. Our bldg prior to the fire did not have any fire suppression, nor any forced air heating or cooling, and only a few units had in-unit laundry. With the rents as low as they were that they said we could get it was almost as if they were comparing what we could rent apartments for if we were to rent out the building in its currently uninhabitable state rather than 10 months from now when everything is brand spanking new with security cameras, laundry, central HVAC, etc.

14. Two appraisers certified they inspected the property however we know only one was present because I was the one to meet them at the building. The bldg has a lockbox and they didn't ask for the code so the other appraiser wouldn't have been able to inspect it.

Hopefully as you read this you will be able to get an idea of just how blatantly wrong the appraisal report is compared to what it should be. My wife and I admit that even with all these changes that maybe the valuation could have still been below what we needed however, we prove based on the above info that their facts were completely wrong, invalid, inaccurate, etc. but yet they were unwilling to make any changes.

Post: Does tenants deposit transfer to new owner?

Brandon McCombsPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Fairmont, WV
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 19

Definitely get in writing the deposit amounts from the landlord and I would request the tenants individually sign the document indicating they agree on the amounts.

I say this because I bought a multi-unit building a couple years ago. There were 4 tenants in it at the day of closing. We got their deposits transferred to us and the owner had written out what was owed per each tenant. We also got copies of their leases. One tenant hadn't paid a deposit though so there wasn't anything transferred to us for her. I had looked at her lease and it stated she was supposed to have paid it but apparently never had prior to moving in.

Months down the line the topic comes up in conversation between myself and the tenant. She claimed she had paid the deposit; the previous owner had a different story and said that he had let her move in w/o paying one and never pursued it very hard after she moved in. Luckily she didn't take it up with me any more and went after the previous owner. But she could have easily made matters worse for me. But she knew the previous owner was an ***hole just like I knew he was and therefore knew there was a better chance he would be lying rather than me.

Post: One of the tenants put in jail

Brandon McCombsPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Fairmont, WV
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 19

@Chinmay J. Not sure why you mentioned suing for breaking the lease since the tenants are M2M. @Ben Elliott used the wording "breaking the lease" but technically there is nothing to break since the initial lease term has elapsed. 

All the wife has to do is to give 30 days notice if she hasn't already. But since they are both on the lease I doubt she can break the lease for both of them. She can leave but it would mean the guy in jail is now responsible for rent. So I think Ben needs to talk to the husband in case the husband plans on getting out soon and wants to continue living there, unless he just doesn't want to deal with the situation and wants them both out now. And that would simply take a 30 day notice like Samantha said.

Post: extra cost of vacant property

Brandon McCombsPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Fairmont, WV
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 19

@Adam Diamond Thanks for your reply. Yes, the agent mentioned the claim itself being a major factor. He did say that would take I believe it was 2-3 years to roll off. 6k is much preferred. I'll just have to wait it out.

@Joe Pitrolo I tried to use Hood in the very beginning of owning the property (they were who the previous owner was using) but they were hard to get in contact with and not responsive with getting me quotes so I went elsewhere. I recently switched again back in October when it was time to renew because the previous agent just wasn't very good at providing guidance and is what caused me to get stuck with the low coverage I had when the fire occurred.

thanks guys

Post: extra cost of vacant property

Brandon McCombsPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Fairmont, WV
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 19

Hello,

I'm having to pay extra and go through a surplus line for property coverage right now because I had a claim in June 2015 due to a fire and now the building is still vacant (renovations I hope will begin in a couple months, pending appraisal results). For $1M coverage I'm having to pay about $8k a year. I was told that this will go down once the multi-unit building is considered occupied. I believe my agent told me it would need to be at least 50% occupied for it to be re-classified. When I asked how much should I expect it to be reduced he didn't give me a number, percentage or dollar amount. So I thought I'd come on here to ask the same of anyone who has had experience with this, from either side of the situation. I'm hoping at least 30% decrease will occur. How realistic is that? And I know insurance rates differ and depend on a lot of things so even a ballpark or a range would be sufficient for me at this point.

thanks

Post: what requirements to expect to be approved?

Brandon McCombsPosted
  • Homeowner
  • Fairmont, WV
  • Posts 95
  • Votes 19

Hello,

I had a fire in my apt bldg and was under-insured. The original sale price was $239k. I have an existing mortgage on the bldg which has $195k remaining on principal; only about $15k remaining from insurance money. I'm working with a general contractor to get an estimate for the rebuild that must occur in order to get the building generating income. It's currently vacant with all utilities shut off. The damage to the building was extensive and as a result 90% of the building is currently gutted. Due to the scope of the renovations we have to bring everything up to code and we plan to install fire suppression. Total cost for rebuild may be about $600k. Based on a pro-forma of rents I conducted using comps in the area, I think the ARV will be about $840k. It will be on par with some of the larger complexes in the area.

My loan officer so far said that if the ARV is higher than the loan amount then it will get approved. He told me they will be comparing the ARV against the sum of the existing mortgage principal and the construction costs. This means I need an ARV of at last $800k but potentially even more than that if I need to achieve some semblance of an 80/20 LTV.

So my first question is what should I expect to hear from a lender regarding what the ARV must be in this situation in order to have a chance at qualifying for a construction loan? And what will the other pieces of the puzzle typically look like for the construction loan process:

  • should I expect to pay any points? 
  • what's a going interest rate for construction loans?
  • I've read I make interest payments only on what is paid out in the draws; is that true?
  • who gets the draws?

If they expected an 80/20 LTV for the original mortgage is it safe to assume they will want the same for the construction loan? If so, does that mean if I have to borrow $600k then I have to come up with 20% of 600k, 20% of the ARV or something else?

Can anyone shed some light on this process based on your experience?

thank you