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All Forum Posts by: Sara Frank

Sara Frank has started 15 posts and replied 248 times.

Post: Real Estate Investor

Sara FrankPosted
  • Realtor
  • Baltimore, MD
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 182
Quote from @A Ndihokubwayo:

Hi All - I am a flix and flip investor focused on the Baltimore and Atlanta Market. I look forward to connecting.


 Welcome to BP! 

Post: Best App For Finding Renters

Sara FrankPosted
  • Realtor
  • Baltimore, MD
  • Posts 255
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Quote from @Robert Fry:

Hello all. I am looking for the best app/website for finding good quality renters for bedroom rentals. 

Looking forward to the replies!


 The Facebook groups are best IMO. Theres one called 'alpaca' and then the usual Washington roommates and rentals pages. Join, post and then repost if you dont get any movement 

Post: Initial primary residence, then long-term rental...maybe?

Sara FrankPosted
  • Realtor
  • Baltimore, MD
  • Posts 255
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Quote from @Lewis Finney:
Quote from @Lexie De Stefano:

Hi Lewis, welcome to the DMV! It's a great place as an appreciation market, and there are a few strategies that you just might make work if you get creative here. I can't really speak to DC itself, but here are a few tips on the VA/MD sides:

BLUF: At your price point, breaking even will be tough. But with some creativity--and perhaps a willingness to commute--you may be able to make it happen. Here are a few ideas that perhaps might work at your budget in this area, and happy to chat offline anytime!

1. If you've got the capital and you know some of the homes you like require renovations, perhaps it's worth checking out an FHA 203k loan program (the renovation funds are built into the loan, and you don't pay them out of pocket!) A lender will be able to speak to specifics, but it might help with achieving any needed upgrades. Otherwise, picking an option that requires minimal renovation would be great for the VA loan.

2. On the Virginia side: LTR-There are a few pockets of townhomes that may work at your price point, and from what I've seen, you may be able to break even if you play around with the numbers and are willing to drive. MTR: you should be able to cashflow or break even if you employ the midterm strategy here. (Many options with this, and I'm happy to chat offline!) 

3. Maryland: there's a HUGE opportunity for affordable housing, and the MD counties are amazing at publishing the rates by zipcode, often up to 6 (Anne Arundel county) and 7 bedrooms (in PG & Montgomery Counties). You'll likely find cashflow with this investing strategy, even at your price point, because the counties are willing to pay DC rent for Maryland purchase prices. Just will need to convert dining rooms/basements into the last couple bedrooms to hit your target rent, but you can do that at the end of your time living in the home!

4. Condos will probably be the toughest to achieve cashflow and have the most restrictions. But...never say never though! A friend of mine has a DC condo that performs incredibly well with excellent cashflow! Just about the right unit and strategy to make it work.

Best of luck with your home search!


Thank you! These are all great options. We hadn't considered an FHA 203k loan, will do some research.


 Highly recommend the 203k if the numbers make sense. Thats what I used for my house. Let me know if you need a 203k lender recommendation, the guys I used were fantastic. 

Post: When would you buy a property with a negative cashflow?

Sara FrankPosted
  • Realtor
  • Baltimore, MD
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 182
Quote from @Steve K.:

Well this is heresy on BP and I'll probably get crucified, but I don't really care whether or not a property cash flows a couple hundred bucks or not. In fact my favorite and best performing property had negative cashflow to the tune of ~$1,000 per month for the first several years. Why did I buy it? 

1. Location. It's a Class A property in a great location where I knew there would be steep appreciation and increasing rents. It wasn't speculation, mind you, just good old-fashioned local market knowledge and education on the strong underlying fundamentals (jobs, population growth, desirability, affordability). 

2. I bought it for $150k below appraised value. 

3. Existing rents were well under market rates. 

4. I knew it would rent well, have low vacancy, and be easy to manage (again, great location). 

5. My plan is long term wealth building and wealth preservation. 

6. I didn't need the cashflow.

7. I liked the property (it's classy).

Now that I've had it a few years, it's cash-flowing $2,500/month thanks to rent increases (good location= steep rent appreciation). That's nice and all but nothing compared to the equity I've gained through appreciation combined with principle pay down, which is now just shy of $1M, which breaks down to $12,000 per month. Subtracting the additional $30k I put in when it had negative cashflow, that's still $11,500/mo. That's not including tax benefits.

So which would you rather have? 

1. A few hundred bucks a month in cash flow day one (but not much appreciation over time because you have to buy in a worse location to get that, your property value might increase enough to just barely keep up with inflation or may even be negative because these markets are historically boom/bust)

or 2. Negative $1,000/mo cashflow for 3 years then $2,500/month cash flow after that plus $11,500/month appreciation in year 7 because you bought in a good location? 

Different strokes for different folks. Some play checkers, others play chess. 

If you need the cashflow to make the payments, then you should stick with cash flowing property. However if your goal is actual wealth building (or wealth preservation), and your investment strategy isn't reliant on whether or not you get a few hundred bucks coming in every month right away, then you might consider buying in a better location where cash flow will be less positive up front but appreciation will be greater. Cash flow will come in time from more rapidly increasing rents and overall performance over time will be much better. Plus less turnover, fewer tenant issues, and less severe headaches. 

Not to mention that a lot of these "cash flow markets" don't really cash flow in reality because the cost to maintain these properties often exceeds the rents. These markets are revolving doors with properties being resold every 2-3 years to new green investors looking for cash flow, who don't realize what it costs to maintain a property or that their budget of $50/month for maintenance, repairs and capex is not nearly enough ($300-500 is more like it, that's why rents under $1,500/door typically have no margin for error). Or they only have 5-10% vacancy factored in to the magic cash flow spreadsheet. One non-paying tenant that needs to be evicted or one unexpected capex issue crushes that $200/month cash flow and sends the property negative for years. A big unexpected $30k issue (I've had several) will take decades to recover from. It takes people a few years to realize this before they sell to the next person who doesn't yet realize this. True story. 

I'm in a market where actual billionaires buy multifamily properties as 3-caps as soon as they come up for sale (which they rarely do). These buildings don't spin off positive cashflow using the BP calculator even with 50% down. These billionaires aren't stupid. So why do they buy these buildings with no cash flow? Because they don't care about cash flow, they just care about long term wealth building and wealth preservation. It's a location where appreciation has been consistent for the past 60 years (even during the global financial crisis 2008-2010 when many markets crashed by 50%, this market continued going up). If that's speculation, then so is thinking that rent will come in consistently every month. By the way rent is not a guarantee either my friends, ask me how I know. Sophisticated investors look at everything through a lens of risk vs. reward. Properties with just cash flow and little appreciation potential are generally in worse locations and are considered high risk (high cap rates), whereas properties in better locations are low risk. To some people, that's all that matters. They're looking for the least risky place to park their money and preserve their wealth and you see this in the best locations. They are priced for risk.  

In my portfolio, the properties with the least cash flow on day one have performed the best over time, while the ones with the best cash flow on day one, I actually ended up selling. They never really cash-flowed as much in reality as they did on paper due to tenant issues and capex. Plus 99% of my headaches came from those buildings. I've seen a lot of others go through this same learning curve. All I care about anymore is location, the price of the property compared to surrounding properties, comps so that I know I'm getting instant equity, being able to force appreciation quickly through value add, and "pride of ownership"/ actually wanting to own the property (which also translates to renters actually wanting to live in the property). Cash flow always comes in a few years thanks to being in a desirable location with increasing rents, and that's cool too. But again my goal is wealth building and wealth preservation primarily. A couple hundred bucks a month in cashflow, whatevs. I've heard it said that cash flow is the cake and appreciation is the icing but it's been the exact opposite for me. Cash flow hasn't really moved the needle much for me financially whereas appreciation has been truly life-altering in the best way possible. 

People also say that buying for appreciation is speculation and not real investing... sorry I'm calling b.s. Investing is expending money to eventually achieve a profit. Speculating is not having enough information to make a good decision. We have access to a lot of information these days, it's out there for anyone willing to educate themselves. A well-educated person who knows their market intimately can make a good decision about whether or not a specific location is likely to see appreciation or not. Sure it's never guaranteed but that isn't in the definition of investing, and let's be honest cash flow isn't ever guaranteed either. Estimating what rent will be in a few years is just an educated guess also. If buying for appreciation is speculating then using that same logic, assuming that rent will always stay the same or go up is also speculating. Rents can also go down, especially in crappy locations. Also if rents aren't going up at least as fast as appreciation, you're actually losing money over time even if you're "cash flowing". If you're buying in a bad location just to get cash flow, that's going to turn out to be an inferior investment every time compared to buying just about any other property in a better location.  

I know I'm tipping the sacred cow here, but cashflow is checkers, appreciation is chess.  


 Love this. People are obsessed with cash flow to the point where they get "stuck" and don't take action at all. Sacrifices in the short term will pile up.. 

Post: House Hacking Strategy in MD

Sara FrankPosted
  • Realtor
  • Baltimore, MD
  • Posts 255
  • Votes 182
Quote from @Albert G.:

Hi Everybody,

I'm 23 years old and looking into purchasing my first property this year. My strategy is to use an FHA loan to purchase a 3-4BR / 2+BA townhome or SFH for $200k-$275k and house hack for at least 1 year before transitioning the property to a long term rental. Locations that I'm interested in purchasing in and where I've seen listings that fit my criteria are in the Severn, Laurel, and Columbia areas.

If anybody has experience in these markets with house hacking or other investment strategies, I'd love to connect and hear any advice or information you may have.


 Thats a great plan, Albert! Thats exactly what I did at 23 and it was the best decision I could have made. I ended up buying in Canton, Baltimore area. 

Post: Builder Recommendation in Maryland? (St Mary's County / Chesapeake)

Sara FrankPosted
  • Realtor
  • Baltimore, MD
  • Posts 255
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Hey Matt! I grew up in SMC. My parents recently did an addition with Berith Builders and had a great experience. I would also recommend Saint Marie's Builders and New Life Builders 

Post: Looking To Become A First Time House Hacker

Sara FrankPosted
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  • Baltimore, MD
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Quote from @Isaiah Gilbough:

Hey everyone! I’m 20 years old living in Northern Virginia, and am looking to get my first Multi-Family in Baltimore by House Hacking. I landed on Baltimore as my location because of the low entry prices for homes and it seems to be the closest market to me with small multi unit properties to where I can still manage myself. I know looking at Baltimore as a whole can be a no-go to most but I have a friend who’s lived in the area that can point me to decent neighborhoods. I already went to a lender and got pre approved for around 250k depending on the property and how much it rents for. So, I’m now looking for an Agent, who is familiar with Multi-Family investing in the area and possibly section 8, that can help guide me in the right direction in my goals. Would love to connect with and hear experiences from other Investors.


 250k will be a tough price point to find a multifamily in a safe area, but it could be a good single family price point for greektown, highland town, maybe canton or fells point too 

Post: Eat the $100k tax on $400k sale?

Sara FrankPosted
  • Realtor
  • Baltimore, MD
  • Posts 255
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Quote from @Bryan H.:

I have a 1br condo in prime Dupont Circle neighborhood of Washington DC, - owned it for 27 years - could list it for $425k.  Fully depreciated so $100k tax bill due at sale.   It was long overdue for full renovation, (all surfaces) and I just finished that, so I’m at a crossroads. 

Rent or sell.  


I rely on the 20k annual net income, but that’s only a 5% return at best. 1031 exchange seems impossible in practicality with the timing etc…I’ve been looking and not finding a deal to move into. 

Would anyone ever just eat the tax in this situation in order to have funds at the ready for the next deal/better investment? 

I’d be left with only around $270k after selling fees,  if all went smoothly. $270k in Scwab money fund would get me $15k/year while I’m waiting to pull the trigger on something.  Some background information - I see new hvac $10k, new windows $10k, and building assessment $10k in the next few years on this property. 

I should think a move-up property exists somewhere in the $600-800k range that would cover a mortgage on top of my $400k down payment and still net me $20k/year or more, but not in the markets I’ve looked (DC area and my local NC area) . I need time to figure that out. 
More background info - I have no real W-2 income. My income is from 3 successful airbnb’s and this condo.  

If I get renters in place right now, take a year to figure out which market makes sense, I still don’t see a realistic path to 1031 due to timing with renters/sale/etc…am I wrong about that? 


 1031. If W-2 income is an issue for you, maybe try to 1031 into something 5+ units that way you can use commercial financing which wont factor in personal income as much 

Post: Hard money loan for cashout on ground rent redemption

Sara FrankPosted
  • Realtor
  • Baltimore, MD
  • Posts 255
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Quote from @Natasha Shamoon:

Need some advice to deal with a ground rent redemption. I am looking for a hard money cashout loan to buy a ground rent redemption for my property in Baltimore MD


 Ground rent redemption isnt usually more than a couple thousand (MAX), you can usually do that with the title company. 

Post: New Washington DC Real Estate Investor

Sara FrankPosted
  • Realtor
  • Baltimore, MD
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Quote from @Rami Yashruti:

Hi All, 

I'm a new real estate investor living in Washington DC. I own one rental property in the city, but am actively searching for another project. I was working with my realtor who sold me the apartment I live in, but thanks to Bigger Pockets have been learning that I should probably work with realtors that specialize in investment properties. Are there any investment realtors you recommend I reach out to?

Also, as someone who is new to investment I would appreciate any thoughts/insights on investing in rental properties in DC. 

Thank you,

Rami


 Hi Rami! Welcome to BP. Lots of great minds here to help you along. I definitely recommend working with an investor-friendly agent, they will help you work through the thought process for purchasing your next property. (Plus they will know more about DC landlord/tenant laws which are ever-changing)