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All Forum Posts by: Nick Horob

Nick Horob has started 24 posts and replied 57 times.

I recently sold a software business and looking to allocate a decent portion of the proceeds to RE private equity ($1MM+). I want to be a passive investor.

What would you do if you were me?  What type of deals would you look at?

Post: My largest financial estimate "miss" over my first 4 deals.

Nick HorobPosted
  • Investor
  • Fargo, ND
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 7

These are older properties.  Most of the requests are minor (sink is plugged, thermostat isn't working), there are just a lot more than I planned on.

Maybe 14% is the right number.  It would be nice to see some benchmarking data based on the age of the building/climate/size/etc.  I'm a data junkie and I'd like to be able to use software to track it over time.  My excel spreadsheets seem get stale but it's better than nothing. 

We do use a property manager but I'm trying to take a more active role in P&L mgmt 

Post: My largest financial estimate "miss" over my first 4 deals.

Nick HorobPosted
  • Investor
  • Fargo, ND
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 7

In the last 18 months, my partner and I have bought 4 properties (24 units) in Fargo, ND or Moorhead, MN ("twin" cities).  

In my initial financial models, I was using 10% of gross rents as an estimate of ongoing maintenance/capex.  So far, just our maintenance requests are costing us 14% of gross rents.  This is 2x what I thought it was going to be.

A couple questions.

  • How does this compare to you?
  • Is there software available to view maintenance on a per unit and a per "event type" basis (eg. I'd like to see how many leaky faucets we've had over the last year, etc).  I'd like more visibility into our costs than on a per building basis.
  • Do you know of any maintenance-specific mobile apps that allow tenants to report issues, dispatch issues to maintenance personal, notify tenants of the status of their requests, and get feedback from the tenant when it's finished?

Thanks in advance.

Nick

Post: Mobile app for tenant maintenance requests

Nick HorobPosted
  • Investor
  • Fargo, ND
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 7

I'm looking for a mobile app where tenants can submit maintenance requests.  Any help would be appreciated.

Post: Infinite Banking Concept, Cash Flow Banking, or Bank on Yourself

Nick HorobPosted
  • Investor
  • Fargo, ND
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Thomas Rutkowski:

I have to laugh. People are telling me that I am not making more money when I can look at my own accounts and see it. Is it not so? Am I imagining the fact that my IUL earned 13% last year? Am I imagining that my tax lien portfolio earned 20%. 

My $50,000 premium was reduced to only $42,500 of Cash Value. Oh those greedy insurance companies! But yet the account was credited with $5,500 of interest. And the $40,000 of loans that cost me 4.4% earned about 20% or $6,240 NET. Let's see, $5,000 plus $6,240 equal $11,240 total. 

HAD I PUT $50,000 INTO THE SAME INVESTMENT PAYING 20%, IT WOULD HAVE MADE ONLY $10,000. IT ONLY GETS BETTER WHEN I FACTOR IN THE TAX DEDUCTION FOR THE INTEREST. THIS IS VERY SIMPLE FOLKS. 

It doesn't matter whether you "hate" insurance or not. This works. The money is literally working in two places at once. You are not borrowing from yourself, you are borrowing against a very safe collateral. This is very basic finance.

 I'm interested in learning more.  I'm 32 years old.

1 - If I paid $50k into a whole life policy annually for 5 years, what size death benefit would that get me?

2 - What would my annual premium be for the same policy if I paid in annual installments for the rest of my life?

Post: Closed on our second apartment purchase (Moorhead, MN)

Nick HorobPosted
  • Investor
  • Fargo, ND
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 7
Originally posted by @Tim Campbell:
Originally posted by @Nick Horob:

No reason for the high downpayment other than it's our intention to be conservative as we're new to the multi-family game.  

 Thanks for the explanation.  I would think it would be more conservative to put less money in as a down payment and keep the liquidity as a reserve you control.

 I agree Tim.  The only thing I can add is that we aren't actively looking for more investments so we'd rather not pay the interest on the extra debt.  

Post: Closed on our second apartment purchase (Moorhead, MN)

Nick HorobPosted
  • Investor
  • Fargo, ND
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 7

No reason for the high downpayment other than it's our intention to be conservative as we're new to the multi-family game.  

Post: Closed on our second apartment purchase (Moorhead, MN)

Nick HorobPosted
  • Investor
  • Fargo, ND
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 7

My partner and I recently bought a 12-plex in Moorhead, MN.  This is after we purchased two 4-plexes in Fargo, ND in March 2015 (we bought the 4-plexes for $165k each, 8.5% cap rate).  So far, so good in finding decent valuations in a "hot market".  My threshold for decent is an 8% cap rate or better.

I work as a farm finance consultant and I wrote this piece for my farm clients yesterday to help them get familiar w/ the math behind rental properties.  

_________________________________________________

We’re going to step off the farm with this blog post.

Given the recent meltdown in stock markets around the globe, I thought it would be timely to share some details with you on another asset class. Rental properties.

I believe farming + off-farm cash flow-oriented investing is a great recipe for long-term wealth generation.

On December 30th, a partnership that I’m involved with bought a 12-plex apartment building in Moorhead, MN. My involvement is small as I’m a 5% partner but I do most of the financial analysis.

Two highlights to start.

– I like numbers. I don’t want to be a property manager. We outsource that!
– The total analysis below took me 10 hours from the time the deal came to me until closing. This doesn’t have to be a time suck.

I was approached by a real estate agent in October who had a motivated seller. I’m not a big fan of buying “at-the-market” deals as they are usually priced very rich. The other properties we’ve purchased (two 4-plex buildings in Fargo, ND) were both off-market deals that I found by sending letters to local apartment owners.

I was expecting this deal to be marginal, at best. But it turned out to be a reasonably attractive deal that warranted a further look. See below for the high-level financials sent to me by the agent.

  • Asking price: $560,000 ($46,667/unit)
  • Net Operating Income: $45,982
  • Cap Rate: 8.2% (NOI/Purchase Price)

I was surprised to see this deal meet my minimum cap rate which is 8%. Now it was time to take a deeper look at the numbers and the deal as a whole. Here were my findings.

  • The neighborhood is an older B-C class area. Not a real hot neighborhood to live in.
  • Average rents are $541/unit. I feel market rents in the area are $600-650
  • The building is fully occupied but they weren’t including any vacancy expense which isn’t realistic. I plugged in 5%.
  • They only included a long-term repair reserve of $1,500/year. I doubled that.
  • My revised Net Operating Income came in at $42,407

I then took my updated NOI and divided it by my minimum cap rate and came up with a revised purchase price of approximately $530,000. The formula is NOI/cap rate or $42,407 / 8%.

We offered $525,000 and they countered back at $540,000. We figured that the seller was motivated to move the property before year-end and the neighborhood was marginal so we held to our guns and only moved our offer up to $528,000. They accepted.

Now the fun begins. Lets dig into the actual numbers behind the deal.

My partner is risk-averse so we chose to apply a downpayment of $200,000 (38% of the purchase price) which is more than what almost all banks will require. We were able to obtain financing terms of 20-year amortization with a 4.4% interest rate. There are also going to be a total of $8,500 in transaction costs with the two largest being the underwriting fee from the bank and the appraisal fee.

Here is my financial analysis on the deal that I sent to the bank (along with a lot more due diligence material).

An 8.2% cash-on-cash return is far from a home run but this assumes no increase in rents (which we are going to do over time) and no property price appreciation. With a smaller downpayment, we likely could’ve pushed that projected return to 10+% but we want more margin-for-error.

As I mentioned by partner would like to retire in 10-years and they don’t need any cash return today so we’re going to apply all of the excess cash against the debt. If we are able to apply an extra $15,000/year to the debt, we’ll be able to pay it off in 11 years.

While we’re looking at projections, let’s look at a case where we’re able to raise the rents over a few years to $600/unit (up from $541 today).

Our net profit in this scenario is approximately $50,000/year.

Here is what excites me most about this asset class. Our total downpayment for this property is $208,500. In 10-12 years the property will be paid off and its very likely that it will be spinning off $50,000/year in pre-tax cash flow. That’s hard to beat in my opinion!

Post: Cool call forwarding tool

Nick HorobPosted
  • Investor
  • Fargo, ND
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 7

I came across a software company in my home market (Fargo, ND) that's built a neat call forwarding tool called Booth.

Check out their new Google Calendar integration (it's awesome!):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPjGisCuNxU 

Post: Looking for a good RE attorney in Fargo, ND

Nick HorobPosted
  • Investor
  • Fargo, ND
  • Posts 67
  • Votes 7

Please let me know if you've worked with any good attorneys in Fargo.  I've had a couple who really don't want my business given their lack of communication.  Thanks!