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All Forum Posts by: Billy Smith

Billy Smith has started 12 posts and replied 674 times.

Post: Treating Mold in Crawlspace - Lumber Koat?

Billy SmithPosted
  • Shawnee Mission, KS
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The first part of Mold remediating is stopping the moisture issue  until you figure out that part don't bother with step 2 .









 

Post: What to do with $3 million in equity

Billy SmithPosted
  • Shawnee Mission, KS
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Quote from @Rob K.:
Quote from @Michael Gonda:

Hi everyone

My business partner and I have 25 - 30 single-family homes and multi-tenant properties.  

-  All of the homes/properties have been renovated and have been in service for a number of years (meaning we have a strong history as successful  property owners/investors)

-  All of the homes are higher-end rentals in very good neighborhoods 

- All but 4 homes are completely paid off with no mortgage overhead or LOC debt

-  All homes have a very consistent rental history with very low vacancy

-  All homes are turning a profit and our pre-door numbers are very good

Because the homes are almost completely paid off, we have a good deal of equity in just sitting around.  We would prefer not to sell anything off at this time and plan on owning these properties for a few more decades (although we have considered selling some for various reasons). 

A rough back-of-the-napkin calculation yields about $3.2 million in available equity across the entire portfolio.  

Q1.  What would you do with that equity?  

Q2.  How would we go about getting cash from the equity?

Q3.  With interest rates as they are, and knowing they are probably going to start dropping over the next few quarters, is it best to wait on any kind of finance for a year'ish or are the rates not going to come down enough over that period to make a huge difference?

Thoughts? 

Thanks in advance


You know, I used to worry about an ever increasing deterioration in income to equity ratios but as I get older, I am more and more comfortable with dead equity. Yes, I can take cash out and try to invest in higher return projects, a sort of carry trade, but the reality is that increasing return on equity generally involves more risk. 

So If I were you I would congratulate myself on success and question do you really want to take on additional risk or incur not insubstantial transaction costs to transition from what you have. Putting credit lines in place might make sense to have the capital available if a sure fire opportunity comes your way, but I would learn to get a certain level of comfort with paid off mortgages too.


Agree enjoy the free cash flow why take on extra risk ?I like paid off SFH in a large metro area works for me. I have one mortgage left when that is paid off I may look at another SFH in my zone of knowledge .

Post: New to the industry

Billy SmithPosted
  • Shawnee Mission, KS
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It can take a while for action to start .I read on the  topic for 2-3 years before I made a move into S.F.H rentals .

Post: Overleveraging, net worth, cash flow and headache factor

Billy SmithPosted
  • Shawnee Mission, KS
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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Alan F.:
Quote from @Becca F.:

I currently have 3 SFH rentals solely owned (1 in San Francisco Bay Area and 2 in Indianapolis metro area) and 1 apartment building in the Bay Area with co-investors). I have a lot of equity in the Bay Area house and the apartment building. SFH is currently negative cash flow because I'm renting out to family members, trying to get roommates in to bring it up to market rent. The apartment building cash flows the most out of all the properties.

Indy SFH#1 in Class A nice suburb with great schools has appreciated in 10 years (doubled in value) that I've owned it. However my cash flow has decreased from $400 a month (in 2019) to now $110 a month in January 2023 due to property tax increases. It's really $66 if you divide the annual HOA fee into monthly amounts. House was built in 2005 so haven't had too many expenses recently (replaced water heater 2017 and HVAC 2018), but it will need a new roof in a few years, I would guess.

Indy SFH#2 is a renovated home (built in 1920) bought 7 months ago in a Class C moving up to B area. It's supposed to cash flow $176 but I have only received 1 full month rent (minus the property management fee) due to repairs that tenant has called the PM company for. I'm in escrow on Indy SFH#3 - projected cash flow is negative - $100 or so with these interest rates. Hopefully I can raise the rent over the next few years.

Since these cash flow amounts are small, they would be wiped out by a major capital expense for the year. I have reserves but I feel like I have too much in real estate and should take a break and invest in more liquid forms (stocks and index funds). My net worth in RE is well over 50% (don't want to go into specific numbers on a public forum). I've heard different investors have net worth range from 20% to 98% in RE.  My goal is to leave stressful W2 job within 5 years or scale down to working on part-time/contract basis. I feel like I'm starting to over leverage or take on too much risk. Is that part of the definition of over leverage, with rents barely covering my monthly expenses? 

Also there's the headache factor with investing out of state especially older homes. My thoughts were to in the near future possibly sell the Indiana properties because of the ever increasing property taxes, 2.77% and 2.78% tax rate and 1031 to a SFH in a less expensive part of Northern California (90 min drive). Nevada or Arizona have much lower property taxes and better appreciation but I would be cash flow negative with those also (as long term rentals) and again it's out of state. Or just sell them and take the capital gains hit but then I lose the rental income and tax write offs.

 Am I missing something but how am I going to leave my W2 job or go part-time if I'm barely cash flowing especially on these Indiana properties? Even if I bought 10 more Indy properties all my net rental income won't add up to my W2 income (after taxes). I do my own taxes so I can see my taxable income reduced every time I add a property into the tax return form. They're passive losses but I'm tracking my hours to see if I qualify for Real Estate Professional Status. This RE investing combined with a W2 job is stressing me out. Thoughts?

Sorry for the essay but I'm frustrated. 


 We hear this on BP all the time about leaving w2. I agree with Chris. You're ver fortunate to have a w2, you have lending available, many self employed don't.  Its really hard to get leverage as a IC or small business. Plus you get medical insurance, vacation etc.

I have to have a lot of cash on hand to flip, last year I dropped $70k on out of coverage surgery. Covered California super sucks, private insurance is extremely expensive & CA fines you at end of year for any lapse in coverage.

Employees have no idea how lucky they are, especially here in CA.

My workers comp and payroll taxes are almost 18%! 

I look forward to the day I get w2 employment.

Been a business owner 31 yrs, be careful what you wish for  ;)

my wife and I are on medicare and with medicare and our supplimental we are still over 2k a month in health insurance.. My daughter who has 22 years at Intel I think she told me at 30 years she can retire and gets lifetime health benefits.. Only way to live on rent is to pay cash and or be extremely frugal mid western rust belt type area were primary housing is very low and all other things including gas, insurance etc are much lower than us west coast folks.
Nevada though to me is a smart choice to try to live on RE prop tax's some of the lowest in the country NO income tax utls are low . etc etc. But to live on just rental income and no other sources you just need to do the math.. with levearge its takes a boat load of Real estate . And your going to find it hard to get the associated debt you would need to qualify for the loans unless your using DSCR rent then you need a lot of cash since U need the debt coverage ratios..

I think its only been this BP dream that goes on about living on rents.. thats not a common thought out of these circles. of course investing in real estate getting it paid for and APPRECIATION is were wealth is created.. So really depends on your monthly needs to live the life you would find enjoyable  without bringing in some sort of income other than rental income.. Most of us that are in this full time have some rentals but its not our major income source we maybe RE brokers  or Mortgage Brokers or GC's and house flippers or like Chris fund manager etc etc.. granted we are self employed but we work and work hard.

PS I have never thought of my self as having a JOB I have been selling real estate since I was 18 and have done all sorts of different things in Real Estate my wife and I look at it as a LIFESTYLE not a JOB.  But if i had it to do all over again growing up in Cupertino CA in the 60s I would have figured out software and computers far better than I did would be like some of my peers that truly retired many years ago.  But hey we are still hear and enjoy all that we do. 

Agree get it paid for then it's down to deducting for insurance ,taxes ,upkeep .I backed out of a deal did I not want a mortgage  instead I will pay off the mortgage  I have left .Now it's simple math add line A to live on .

Post: No Submitted Applications

Billy SmithPosted
  • Shawnee Mission, KS
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As long as you are getting calls it's worth playing with .Run your rent numbers with other rentals like yours see if you are in priced right .

Post: Best advice for first rental property

Billy SmithPosted
  • Shawnee Mission, KS
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Current real-estate prices are making SFH so expensive is not worth it after getting mortgage .If paying cash do the math find out what your return on your money is .

Post: Do you use the 1% rule on your rentals in 2023?

Billy SmithPosted
  • Shawnee Mission, KS
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The 1% rule may work with houses in the "C" area give or take in "A" areas that rule has not worked for me .Agree Andrew I don't like the how tight the numbers are  when getting a loan .The other rentals I bought in "A" area I paid cash for worked out well passive income at it's best .

The ones making the numbers work with these 1% rules what have are buying homes half burnt ,deep inner city needing work etc...And nothing wrong with it  just too much work for me .

Post: Do you use the 1% rule on your rentals in 2023?

Billy SmithPosted
  • Shawnee Mission, KS
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This makes the most sense to me I buy "A" properties fact in the middle of buying one now paying top dollar .

Quote from @Melissa Nash:

To clarify- if I am buying a property finished- (turnkey) at market value I can cashflow and average of 9-12% year 1 on a B class property and I am not at 1%, If i wanted to buy a finished property in a C/D class then I can get to 1% rule. But I personally value buying property in an area that appreciates more and has the potential for better tenants and rental increases, so I will easily give up the idea of the 1% rule, as I think future growth is much more important to me. 


Post: Best way to Screen tenants?

Billy SmithPosted
  • Shawnee Mission, KS
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I have a 3 party who I have used since day one $45.00 to do background  so far so good couple bumps nothing too big .Last place they lived is BIG make sure you don't skip any thing that should be done .When they are serous take a picture of the DL of all folks on the rental just like a apartment would do .

Post: Debating whether to sell a home or rent it out

Billy SmithPosted
  • Shawnee Mission, KS
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Do your home work ,pull comps look like at rentals like yours what are they getting is there a glut or a short supply of rentals like yours in your area ?