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All Forum Posts by: Ben Feder

Ben Feder has started 51 posts and replied 170 times.

Post: When should I start investing in real estate?

Ben FederPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 57
Originally posted by @Daniel Campbell:

@Ben Feder if you want to DM me, I’ll walk you through all of the ways financing works when you have no money up front. Also, if you’re gonna come to the forum, consider buying the book from Bigger Pockets. Go to the store. I think it’s like $15?

I would love to hear about all my financing options! I clicked "Connect" on you, so we should be connected now. Which book are you suggesting? I have read several real estate books that aren't from BP, and also read the beginner's guide from BP. Reading a second guide from BP now on house flipping even though I'm seeking BRRRR (since I will be rehabbing and selling the property anyway).

Post: When should I start investing in real estate?

Ben FederPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 57
Originally posted by @Daniel Campbell:

@Ben Feder It’s okay not to have any cash if you have good credit and no debt. One strategy I used was seeking Out of State Absentee Owners with 100% equity. (from List Source. Max Maxwell has a great video on the site)

I sent out a mailer offering the same thing to all of them: 20% down payment financed by the seller at 8% for 5 years with a balloon of 80% at 5 years. With a reasonable appreciation you'll end up with at least 75% LTV* at the end of the 5 years with a comfortable cash flow position during the seller financed period.

*75% LTV is because you have a principal reduction and conservative appreciation.

PS, if you’re in a huge market, you can filter that list to owners over 65.... who are most likely to want to exit their portfolio in a tax advantageous way, like seller financing.

 What does a balloon of 80% at five years mean? Does that mean you owe 80% of the total price of the home after only five years?

Also, what is LTV?

Originally posted by @Jan Kerr:

Hi Ather, 

Your comment about San Fancisco's micro economy is an accurate statement. Every metro area has its own micro economy and every one is different from all the others. When you hear the news media talking about a coming recession, take all of that information with a grain of salt. They are generalizing and trying to sell news. Fear sells news. They may or may not be trying to make people think that the whole country's housing markets are all on the same cycle which they are NOT. They may be mis-informed or just, summarizing for breveity and convenience to make sound bites sound good.  

Flipping and BRRRR are good strategies for that area. Prices being very high there may scare off some investors. Financing is available one way or another everywhere becasue prices are relative to the individual markets and lenders who work there know what the numbers are, so that is not genreally a problem. You will need to have some operating capiital to take care of earnest deposits and more for down payments and holding costs or partners who are willing to cover those expenses.

I can show you where to find statistical information and data to better educate yourself on any market. If you'd like a free 90 minute mentoring session, please feel free to view my profile and reach out to me if you want to set that up. 

 How do you get financing with no money down (I have very limited resources, not much capital to invest), or at the very least how do hyou find a partner? I would love to find a mentor also! I am mainly looking to invest in the Philadelphia area since that is where I live, but if I find good deals elsewhere, I am willing to do long-distance investing (if I am able to learn how to do that without viewing/checking up on the property).

Post: When should I start investing in real estate?

Ben FederPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 57
Originally posted by @Junior Soares:

@Ben Feder

In today's economy, I look for a 4-6% cash on cash return on my Investment. Some think that's not good but mind you thats after all expenses including maintenance AND thats not counting the loan pay down as well as any future appreciation which is all positive cashflow in the end. IRR (Internal Rate of Return) is more important than the Cash on Cash return that most look for in the present.

Take what you read on this platform with a grain of salt. Although this is an AMAZING platform with tons of free knowledge from big players in the game, 80% of the folks on here will never pull the trigger and invest in RE.

 I once knew what cash-on-cash return met and think I still remember. Is that the annual cash flow made divided by the total cash invested in the property?

Post: When should I start investing in real estate?

Ben FederPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 57
Originally posted by @Daniel Campbell:

@Ben Feder that’s a very loaded question, and for good reason. There are so many paths to financial success, especially through real estate.

My opinion?

Step one is to go through the steps of Dave Ramsey’s “Total Money Makeover”. If you’re already in a good financial position, that could be really quick.

Step 2 would be to take a little time to adopt some of the principals of the FI (Financial Independence) community. Minimize what you spend, saving more for investments.

Step 3 would be to buy your own home if you haven’t already. If you have, buy another one and rent out the first one. I recommend this because a 30 year mortgage should give you enough wiggle room to make mistakes as you grow. Keep doing that until you have 4 units and then start getting more creative.

Step 4 is “retirement”. Once your investments have replaced your day job income you should focus more on real estate and the things that truly go make you happy. Go volunteer, help the church, spend time with your kids, travel, etc.

Starting from a solid foundation is key in my opinion. I’ve watched a lot of people “jump in” and there’s a 50/50 chance of success when you do that. In fact, my first attempt failed miserably.

Hope that helps!

I do not have any money, but I have no debt. I am good with saving money already, I just haven't built up much yet so can't afford a down payment or expenses (for rehab, capital expenditures, insurance, etc.). I need a loan that I can afford or a partner. I am looking for a partner for my first deal and/or a mentor to at least learn from for now.

Post: When should I start investing in real estate?

Ben FederPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 57
Originally posted by @Mathew Fuller:
Hey Ben,

I'm closing on my very first property this week in Fort Collins, Colorado. I can relate by not having much money to get started, I was broke in the beginning of 2019.. I moved to Colorado about three years ago during this crazy market and being naive I just talked myself out of buying a house because it was "too expensive" and "didn't make any financial sense", and chose the cheaper route of renting an apartment by myself (or so I thought was the cheaper route). I never bothered to speak to an agent to see what I could potentially get.. Fortunately with almost no money saved at the time I got in touch with an agent earlier this year and found out I qualified for a no money down loan, which at least got me set up looking at houses around Denver and I could start to picture what I wanted, I also read Scott Trench's Set For Life which is a fantastic book and introduced me to the concept of House Hacking and also the potential power of owning a property. After looking over the no money down terms and also talking to some other folks, I decided to save and go the conventional loan route with 3.5% down.  All this year I analyzed and read books, but still felt like I didn't know what I was looking at or some deals were just far out of reach, so I didn't make any decisions for 6-7 months. I finally told myself in October that i'm just going to throw myself in and buy a house, and whatever happens happens, I just want to learn and the best way to learn is just by throwing yourself in sometimes, knowing you're going to make some mistakes / have some hard times, but also come out with the knowledge to go into more deals in the future.

For my first house with my 0% of experience, I asked my agent to find me properties that fit the following criteria

- Under market value
- Houses that are livable but need some work, this is so that I can get my feet wet with with redoing walls, hardwood floor, painting, replacing utilities, landscaping, etc, but also not have an issue living there or having people come over.
- At least 3 bedrooms and 2 baths - This is so I can rent out the 2 bedrooms and cover most of my mortgage, and gain experience managing tenants.
- A place that I'd like to live, near the mountains.
- No HOA

From what I gather from your posts i'd say look into house hacking, it allows you to get a cheaper down payment for a loan since you'll be living on the property, and can get you into the market quicker. My goal is to eventually get into the multi family space, but with my cash and knowledge I decided to start smaller and get some experience. I think I briefly looked into duplexs, but they're pretty expensive in Colorado from what I saw, however, I think you can qualifier for a higher loan on multi families if you count potential earned income from renting, not 100% sure you would have to check with lender on that.

If you don't know what you can qualify for or how much you need for a down payment, go talk with some lenders. I had hardly any money saved and still got approved for 400-450k, but decided to wait and save my money through the year, because it's smart to have a pillow saved for emergencies built up and other expenses, regardless if you're getting into a property or not. 

There are plenty of agents / lenders that are real estate investors that are on BP that i'm sure can help you get started and answer any questions that you may have.

Hopefully some of that helped, everyone starts from the bottom either financially or experience wise, and for some of us it's both, but as long as you make it a priority, you can make it happen sooner than you think.

 How did you qualify for a no-money-down loan? I would need something like that to invest. I don't have the funds myself for a down payment or expenses.

Post: When should I start investing in real estate?

Ben FederPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 57
Originally posted by @Tim Herman:

@Ben Feder The cheapest price of admission for investing is house hacking. Buy a small multi 2-4 units. FHA will allow you to put 3.5%, certain areas have programs for zero down. You live in it for a year and move out to another multi and get an owner occupied loan of 5% or less. Move 10 times in 10 years you can accumulate 20-40 cash flowing units.

I would prefer not to house hack, just rent it all out but if that's the way I need to do it in order to get such a cheap loan, then I could be willing to do that. However, I barely have any finances at all so I don't know if I'd have that down payment, even if it is just 3.5%. I'd need to find a good deal in the right area, but not sure how difficult that would be. 

Post: When should I start investing in real estate?

Ben FederPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 57
Originally posted by @Sterling Chapman:

@Ben Feder I would say start yesterday! What does your financial situation look like? What type of investing are you trying to do? I’d be happy to answer any questions I could for you about rentals and how to stack up a portfolio of small multi family units without a lot of your own money. If you are looking for advise on Wholesaling or Flipping then I’m probably not your guy. Good luck!

I have no cash to invest--meaning nothing for a down payment, nothing for repairs, and nothing to hire people on my team such as contractors, lawyers, management companies, etc. I need to use 100% OPM to get deals done, and trying to find out how to do that. I want to invest in multifamily properties with a BRRRR strategy, so rentals are definitely something I'd want in my portfolio. I want to start as soon as I can, just not sure how to at the moment financially.

Post: How do you determine class of property&neighborhood? (A,B,etc.)

Ben FederPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 57

Properties and neighborhoods are categorized by class: A, B, C, D, (or F?). How do you figure out what you're looking at? How do you know a property is class A vs. B or a neighborhood is B vs. C, etc.?

Post: How do you get the utilities charged directly to the tenants?

Ben FederPosted
  • Investor
  • Philadelphia, PA
  • Posts 172
  • Votes 57

@Mary Mitchell yes I an wondering what is involved with the meters. If the building only has one meter do the other meters need to be installed, and if so, by who? I would like each unit to have it's own meter so everything can be setup and completed by the tenants rather than allocating costs after the charge comes to me.