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All Forum Posts by: Benjamin Ervin

Benjamin Ervin has started 7 posts and replied 163 times.

Originally posted by @Cheryl Vargas:

@Benjamin Ervin

Only $2500 in permitting fees?

Wow!

In Sonoma county, permitting fees can be $25,000!!

 Wow! I know people say you can invest in any market, but CA's market seems like another world to me.  If you want good weather and good beaches, just come to Pensacola! It's much cheaper lol.

But seriously, we paid cost + liability for the GC permits.  Our GC is a friend who was willing to allow us to manage our own deal without making a profit from us.  His only requirement was (obviously) to use licensed and insured subs, which we do. 

Originally posted by @David Hush:

@Benjamin Ervin. How long did it take to find & complete two deals?

 David, we bought the first deal in February of 2018.  Started looking in October of '17.  Everyone's timelines are different, so I would be careful reading much into mine.  There were a number of factors at play (beyond real estate) for us that impacted our pace.    

Originally posted by @Adam Whitney:

Great job! Did you do any of the work of yourself? If you contracted everything out, how did you find a quality contractor? Thanks for sharing the experience. 

 Hey, Adam.  We did some of the work ourselves, but contracted out the majority of it (including all "major" upgrades).  We only take on projects we want to do and feel confident we can do with good quality.  

Finding contractors is the name of the game.  And it is hard.  Referrals are our primary source for labor, right now.    

Originally posted by @Melissa Jolley:

I feel like I need to know your wife. The design is super cute and so refreshing considering I spend my days looking at homes with wall to wall carpet and the most builder-grade finishes you can get. I love the exterior as well. 

Thank you! We are surrounded by new construction here, as well (particularly in neighboring cities/counties).  The new builds are littered in the good school districts which makes things a little more challenging for investors in Pensacola, considering the public school system here leaves much to be desired.  We've made a conscious decision to rehab houses to this type of quality and design just to compete with the influx of new builds all over.  

@Steven Rubino, nice job and nice find for you and your partner on this property. Can I ask how much your window expense was and how many windows you replaced?  

Originally posted by @Amanda Evers:

that looks amazing!

 Thank you!

Originally posted by @Joseph Walsh:

Congrats.  what was the timeline?  As a pure flip, assuming it sold for appraised value, you'd of profited about 20k. As a "cash out refi" buy and hold model, you actually "lose" about 14k at 80% refi. (the rest left in equity or course), which could possibly be offset in ~3 years of rental profits.  It's an interesting contrast.  Something for me to consider in the future if my buy and hold projects end up with significant cost overruns, do the math and consider if a quick flip-exit makes more sense.  You took a third option where the math worked better for you, "keep it, move in, refi back most of my investment" essentially giving you a ~14k down payment on a 180k house, and still having ~20% equity.

BTW, the house looks amazing, and it sounds like this was a straight "win" for your family.

Hey, Joseph. The timeline on this one is a little misleading.  In total, this has taken about 7 months from purchase to re-fi, but we didn't have to press as hard on the gas pedal considering we wanted to make this a primary residence.  We also had about 60 days of little to no progress due to some medical stuff with my 2 year old.  

While not disagreeing with your math, you have to understand these numbers would look a little different if we had decided to maintain this project as a flip.  We would have cut out a minimum of $5k (conservatively) in the rehab budget and pressed harder on the timeline.  I feel confident this would have and still could be a profitable buy, fix and sell style property.  When we are ready to move in 3-5 years, we will evaluate whether it makes more sense to rent this property out or sell it.  The good news if we decide to hold it is that the cap x stuff will be deferred significantly due to the rehab we've done.

Originally posted by @Mason Pagan:

@Benjamin Ervin

Is there any chance you can send me your analysis? I’m trying to betterhone that skill!

 Are you just interested in seeing the spreadsheet I use?  I wouldn't have an issue showing it you, just not sure how helpful it will be.  The key to the analysis is in the methodology and accurate/relevant information.  The tool is use is just a way to organize and display that data. 

Originally posted by @David Hartman:

Thank you for clarifying that.

You guys did an incredible job.

Since you did a lot of the work yourselves, do you have any idea how much time you spent as opposed to contracting the work out? Put another way, how much (%) of the $30k is based upon sweat equity? 

Given that you mentioned you work FT, and have small children, what you've accomplished is no small feat.

What frightens me about flips is all of the unknowns and potential landmines (unseen structural issues, mold, cost overruns, etc.).

A lot of these stories on this site make flipping seem like something you can do while watching the Karashians and that it is virtually impossible to lose money on. I rarely see stories here about those that took a drumming (and I'm sure there are more than a few that lost big time on flips).

 Well, I haven't gone so far as to attempt to quantify my time spent on this project being as its now a primary residence, it just didn't matter much to us.  I'll continue to tinker on things after I get off work in the evenings because its something I enjoy doing anyway.  What I can estimate is that we saved somewhere between 10-15K in the work we did ourselves on the project.  The time exchange associated with that is null and void to me because I did it while spending time with my wife and the kids.  We weren't taking them to SkyZone or the movie theater, but it was still time well spent where they are learning important lessons.  Important to my wife and I, anyway.

I couldn't agree more about the nature of the site and how it seems to emphasize much more heavily the successes than the failures.  That said, it is a reflection of the community, not BP.  The site is built for collaboration and sharing stories.  More people are inclined to be active on here before and after finding success vice losing their shirt on a first (and probably last) deal.  

The truth is Flipping houses requires strong fundamentals just like anything else.  If you want to discuss successfully scaling operations from 1 - 2 projects at a time to doing 50-100 per year, I'm not the guy to hand out any advice (at least not yet!).  But in terms of when operating ONE project, the fundamentals are key.  Good analysis upfront, buy right, manage the rehab well (metrics would be time, quality and cost), and effective disposition (market well, good and fair pricing, etc.).  There are a million nuances and subcomponents to break down into a much more granular level, but the fundamental principles remain the same.  

Regarding the unknown expenses, yes they happen.  They've happened on nearly every project I've ever done from replacing bathroom hardware to structural work removing load bearing walls.  You have to understand this is just another line item in your accounting.  Prepare for those expenses to be incurred and mitigate them to the extent possible.    

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Wow, fantastic job you and your wife did. The finishes are awesome, the kitchen looks fantastic for the square footage, very cook and family friendly....I just love the new kitchens look with only shelves on top and cabinets only on the bottom, it's just such a cleaner, very cool look, definitely the way I'll be going in my new kitchen. Your wife did an excellent design & decor job on the home. Look forward to seeing your next projects, very inspiring!! :) Keep up the great work.

 Thank you very much! The kitchen is one of my favorite parts of the house now and its definitely functional!