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All Forum Posts by: Ben Jones

Ben Jones has started 1 posts and replied 3 times.

not sure what you mean by basics. what do you mean by basics?

feel like i've consumed enough media over the years i'm past basics stage.


ok lets try a specific question:

what company can i call for an insurance quote on a 4plex that would be all units  rental not a live in? i tried geico and basically got a long  runaround and eventually disconnected they dont seem to know how to deal with a 4plex. 

I have been lets say "dabbling" in real estate knowledge for a few yrs. Even was more into bigger pockets yrs ago, lately more via youtube videos. I know all the basic terms and such.

I do have money to invest. I dont have the full purchase price of this 4plex to invest though, so I would have to finance half to 2/3 which seems like a stumbling block. i can still make the numbers work, but at a much lesser monthly profit i suppose. i also dont have the w2 income to support 2 mortgages (counting the one i have on my house), so i assume any bank would have to count the existing leases towards my income which i understand is possible


I guess I was wondering about advice, or red flags, anything, on this specific deal. Dont suppose I'll get it...again, i've never done a real estate deal other than purchasing my house over a decade ago. without experience there's just so much i dont know.

networking is a sore spot, i'm just not a people person. thats one reason i look at real estate. since i plan to have any properties managed, i wont have to deal with a lot of people. i imagine you'll scold me for this but whatever. i'm never going to be a people person and thats set in stone. it's something i have to work around not overcome.

It seems I always get to the same point with real estate where I take the safe and easy route and leave my $ invested in the stock market. the thing that appeals to me about re, and i'm more focusing on rentals, non b&b, is steady income with an appreciating underlying asset. whereas the market is up and down. i can get totally safe 5% from short term bonds, but i know my principle is withering away from inflation (i dont believe the gubt bogus 3% cpi). with a rental house i could get 5% rental income, and the house will appreciate ~5% a year. that's a huge difference. the other thing i'm somewhat interested in is flips, but same story there, i just dont have the knowledge, and all the reading this forum or watching yt's in the world only gets to the surface as it's all airy generalities.

yeah as title. i have a mortgage on my own house. recently a 4plex on fb caught my eye. theyre listing for 300k, new construction, on i think 1/2 acre or 1 acre mostly seems a big dirt parking lot in front. 1800sq ft. they claim the units rent for 1050. obviously these are small units 1 bed 1 bath, doing the math 1800/4 is 450 sq ft per unit. they look nice, being new construction, albeit spartan inside, metal building, concrete floors, washer dryer hookup. semi rural Oklahoma but about 80-100 miles from dfw. they also say all units are under 6 month lease (it seems to be friends of theirs, i'm guessing, as they mentioned it was full "despite not even listing it yet"?) for 1050/month all bills paid. they claim this cash flows 3600/month (4200-600). the math on that is they say electric is 90 unit, trash and water is 50 each for all 4 so theres your 600 and say they can provide receipts on all this. it's located  a handful of miles, about 6-8, outside the nearest small town with a wal mart etc.

one thing is it seems better apts, in town with 600-800 ft, go for more like 1k no bills paid. even adjusting for the all bills paid part, i feel like 1050 is aggressive on these. otoh near me some crappy tiny apt with mold and everything go for 750, and these are much nicer than that. i think 700-800 would be an absolute floor on what they could rent for.

i guess i just have no idea for example, insurance? is it more expensive being 4 tenants? they claim they pay 105/month insurance. this seems pretty low, granted its in the ballpark of what i pay on my own 1100 sq ft house, but i just feel like a 4 plex would be higher? how does the fact youre renting to tenants play into the insurance?? i would assume it might be much higher?

another maybe odd thing i worry about is it's a bit in the country, with 4 doors right next to each other i worry the tenants could fight, drama, drug deals, noise complaints, i have no idea but it just seems a bit strange. the layout just seems very conducive to drama, 4 door out front literally spaced ten ft apart with nothing else directly around and one big parking lot out front.

another concern i have is, i understand there are laws limiting how many people can be in apt. these being 1 bed 1 bath, thats room for what 1 couple, and one child at most? i worry what if tenants try to move a bunch of people in? i'm figuring it being rural ok, enforcement of laws/codes/taxes etc is gonna be lax as it gets, but still.

also how do the taxes work? they claim taxes are 100/month. again, seems aggressive but slightly plausible being its outside city limits. are the taxes more on rentals units?

what does anybody think? i really am a bit clueless.