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All Forum Posts by: Ben Haab

Ben Haab has started 1 posts and replied 36 times.

Originally posted by @Account Closed:

Im Fort Wayne based but we do some business in Warsaw, I'd love to be in the loop if that's cool with you all. Also I'd love to know who on here purchased 501 W Jefferson :) anyone else tour it? ( Pretty notorious 4 Plex for those not familiar with Warsaw IN)

Account Closed How is this property notorious? 

I'd be interested in a meetup for Warsaw based folks.

How much lower are you planning to offer?  Bigger question: how will the seller cover the difference of the money owed verse what you pay?

Is your agent a rookie?  If not there are a lot of missing details...

Post: Confused "Highest and Best Offer"

Ben HaabPosted
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I've always been given the advice (and believe it accurate) when dealing with bank owned properties assume you are replying to someone who's looking at a flip chart.  IE: Listed at $X for 30 days; after 30 days lower it by X%.  Offers must be withing X% of list to be considered.

The folks making the decisions (loss mitigation department at multinational banks or holding companies) have NO STAKE and could care less about anything personal or making the offer look good.  

You're essentially dealing with a computer...

Late fees are just extra income.  See it as 11 days interest....easy money...

if they start up with other issues address the whole situation right away.  Maybe after initial lease is up go month to month, then the power goes back in your favor a bit more.

Read the crowd and try to label all the bidders; then respond accordingly.

I've purchased a few properties from estate auctions and it's my favorite way to buy.  Each time I've used a different 'technique'.

Suggestions:

1) Have someone go with you that will hold you to your top dollar and not get emotional. I take my realtor along.

2) Know how the auction will run. In my area bidding goes for a 10 minutes or until it dries up, auctioneer takes a break and talks with the seller/estate and buyers, then opens up bidding for a bit then it's done.

3) I don't like anyone in the room knowing who I am or why I want the property.  The person with the most information in the room is in the best spot.  Others not knowing you helps.

4) Don't let the auctioneer hold you to $5k increments...go down to $1k or less.

My last 3 auctions:

1) I waited till the bidding stalled then bid a few times.  After we came back from break I waited until the auctioneer was saying "going....going....and" then I bid again.  Other bidder walked off pissed cause he was done.  I was at my max and wouldn't bid again, but it was a game of chicken.

2) Bidding was starting to starting to boil down to a few bidders and I jumped the bid.  They asked for $70k and I blurted out $75k (my first bid)...the room stopped, looked at me and no one else bid.  I had put in an offer before the auction for $75k and they turned it down.

3) Waited till they were down to serious bidders then kept bidding as soon as it was too me. (Other bidder says 80, I immediately say yep before the auctioneer even asks me to bid...we did this for a few rounds till the other bidders get the feel I would pay anything).  Year later I sold the pole barn to a neighbor who was at the auction (most people wanted the barn, not the house) and the house separately.

Agreed, offers can't be the only consideration, but in an appreciating market it should be considered.  In your example how does any house ever appreciate? If the last 3 like it sold for X, then why is it ever worth X+Y?

The appraisals have a built in indicator for market up, down, or level.  In this case it should be indicated that market is increasing and justify the price.

Originally posted by @James Bausch:

@Ben Haab Sorry man, again!  It's got to be frustrating.     To answer your initial question-- no, I'm not seeing that happening.  Actually I think in 4 of the 37 homes I've been involved with YTD they've actually appraised higher than purchase price.  I think you're stuck in a tricky spot with as @Chris Volkers mentioned you've got the nicest home in the area and there won't be many good legitimate comps.  Now I haven't specifically looked for them for your property but they certainly won't be in close locale.    What I have found is that in our area it's all about who the appraiser is.  IMO they have difficult jobs but what I tell my clients is that it's like substitute school teachers.... you don't know who you're going to get and you don't know what kind of mood they are going to be in.  You as the seller have the right to not let in anyone to you home-- if you know you've got stuck with a bad appraiser you don't have to let them in.  Good luck fighting it!  Oh, one more thing-- in our area because of the limited number of homes to use-- I don't see them giving much difference for a 3 or 4 bedroom.  There would be a sq. ft. adjustment made.   

Thanks James. The trend is really what I'm looking for here. But, I'm sure it's lack of comparable comps and neighborhood.  I just assume if there are multiple offers that's the best indication of market value.

Originally posted by @Mike Cumbie:

@Ben Haab

To answer the question of "is it a trend" I would say not in my area... this year. Last year it was more prevalent but the market did not catch up yet. I think many people think there is one house value "Market value". That is not the case, there are several different values. For example:

1) Appraised value (What the banks feel comfortable lending on based on recent sales)

2) Market value (What buyers are willing to pay for the property)

3) Assessed value (What the municipality thinks it's worth for tax reasons)

4) Zestimate (What Zillow thinks it's worth based on an algorithm they think is right)

5) Larry the contractors value (70 Percent of market value minus repairs)

6) AVM (Core logics number based on comparable sales and an algorithm they think is right)

7) BPO (What a local broker feels they can get for the property... NOTE: This does not mean what they think they can get for the property financed by anyone...... it's what they think they can get for the property.... it may require waiting on the right buyer)

So each method is different and each has a different purpose. If all was perfectly equal then the price you pay cash is equal to a USDA or FHA loan.

Thanks Mike - very informative post.  Agreed, if they were all equal cash would be equal to each.

I'm clearly struggling with the difference in appraised value vs market value.  My assumption is that they would be the same unless there were extenuating circumstances. When you have multiple buyers that confirm a market value there seems to be an appraiser judgement to lower value and honestly I don't believe appraiser should adjust in this circumstance.

Originally posted by @Jim K.:

@Ben Haab

OK, so write your Congressman about it?

Ha, I like it. I do think there could be better standards set for appraisers.  Clearly this instance hits a little closer to home (my pocketbook) hence my beef.