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All Forum Posts by: Will Barnard

Will Barnard has started 146 posts and replied 13855 times.

Post: What state is the best

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Quote from @Matthew Masoud:

The best state for rehabbing/flipping properties is the state you know the market the best.

I flip/rehab in Kentucky and Indiana because I know the markets there.


 This is by far the best advice. There is no "best state" because every investor has different abilities, goals, desires, teams, etc. Trying to flip OOS is very difficult and each state has its own price points so you need to select an area  that fits your needs 

Post: Problems with closing deals

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First off, 60%-70% of asking price means nothing. If a house is worth $200k but the owner is asking $300k and you offer 70% of ask, you would be over paying the retail value of the home.

Second, asking us why your buyers are pulling out makes no sense, you should be asking them why. My guess is that the price you are giving them is too high for it to make financial sense on each of those properties.

Post: Apartment Flip - Hiring GC or Subs?

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Depends on you and your skills/abilities. Certainly you can save money by hiring each individual licensed sub contractor but if you do not have experience in managing projects like this, you may not be able to perfectly schedule and manage each sub efficiently eating into your savings. You may have one sub delay you or not show up on the scheduled day messing up your entire schedule. Many things can go wrong which would eat into your savings. That said, the best way to learn in my opinion is doing so plan as best as you can, get some advice from a pro and do one. Even if it ends up costing you the same or more than had you hired a GC for it all, you gained valuable insight and experience for the next one and the next one. You have to start somewhere!

Post: Hard Money vs Private Money?

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Quote from @Jeff S.:

Your question, @Ben Scarborough, is sort of an inkblot test for lending. Many have their own made-up definitions. These are often inconsistent and completely non-sensical. For some reason, it’s a topic many here feel strongly about and are emotionally tied. Others write long magazine articles torturing their definitions.  If you can't explain something simply ...

Private lenders are your friends and family. Hard money lenders are in the lending business.  (If a professional lender loans to his mom, is it a private loan or a hard money loan?)

Private lenders don’t charge points or interest. Hard money lenders charge these.  (If your mom makes a loan to you and charges points, is she now a hard money lender?)

Hard Money lenders are licensed. Private lenders are not.   (So, I guess you can’t call yourself a private lender in a state that requires a license?)

If your terms are strict, you’re a hard money lender. If they are less strict, you’re a private lender.  (?????)

These are distinctions with no difference. In fact, though “Lender” (and “Broker”) are legal terms, there are no legal definitions for hard money or private money. They are both marketing terms. Marketing is not always a ploy.

Normally, who cares? Except the made-up definitions get dangerous when those who define themselves or their lender as “private,” believe it’s, therefore, ok to skimp on origination. I see this here all the time. “All your mom needs are a note and a deed of trust.” “Get your loan docs from a title company.” “Why do I have to spend $1000 for title insurance?” “Where on the web can I get my note?” Who’s willing to share their note?”

Your mom might want to sell her loan one day. Or, unfortunately, it could be contested by a disgruntled borrower. Just watch what happens, as we see property prices start to fall again. Try foreclosing with bad paper.  A note buyer or a judge won’t care what your mom calls herself.

Don’t get hung up on the title.


Not everything can be explained simply. There is no legal term for BRRRR or househacking either but anyone with any experience in the RE investing industry knows their definitions regardless if they appear in a dictionary or not, so this argument does not hold water. It appears you have taken much of what I stated in my previous post well out of context. Note that I used the word "typically" on multiple occasions.

"Private lenders are your friends and family. Hard money lenders are in the lending business. (If a professional lender loans to his mom, is it a private loan or a hard money loan?)" - Taken out of context. To answer your question, did MOM use her lending license and all the docs used for any other hard money loan she typically uses and more importantly, was it all her money or that of OPM? If the license was used and the money came from investors, she was brokering and as such, the license was required in all states and therefore, it was a hard money loan.

"Private lenders don’t charge points or interest. Hard money lenders charge these. (If your mom makes a loan to you and charges points, is she now a hard money lender?)" 
- charging points is not a defining issue to private or hard money. On this topic, if the interest rate plus points is in excess of the state usury limits, then a lending license would be required and as such, a hard money lender would need to be used.

"Hard Money lenders are licensed. Private lenders are not. (So, I guess you can’t call yourself a private lender in a state that requires a license?)" 
- NOT what I said, I said "typically". No state requires a lending license to make a personal loan secured by real estate so long as it is within the usury limits of that state (although some states may restrict the amount of loans of this type you could make in a year before requiring a license).

"If your terms are strict, you’re a hard money lender. If they are less strict, you’re a private lender. (?????)"
- That is sad if this is what you ascertained from my post. You are poorly paraphrasing here.

While I agree one should not get "hung up" on a title, there is a distinct difference between hard and private money lenders and investors should know the difference. If you preaching they are one and the same, you are wrong and are doing a disservice to other readers claiming that. There are a lot of terms in our industry which have been made up and will not appear in dictionaries or law books, that does not change the fact that they have specific definitions that the majority consensus uses to define the term, BRRRR or househacking as perfect examples.




Post: Fix and flip exit strategy

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Quote from @Barrett Bridgewater:

@Will Barnard You may be absolutely right on this property!  But see if the flood zone removal is a possibility first.  If so, then Shannon's new property value for cash out refi will be huge!

If you need assistance we are happy to help.  Flood Zone properties are our sole focus here at our engineering firm.


" IF" the flood zone can be removed, that is certainly a value add opportunity for this specific property as it would remove a deficiency in the property.

Post: New Flippers, need some guidance/advice

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Common issues with new investors. I often see this as putting the cart before the horse. You have some team members but not the experience or knowledge of your market or how to estimate rehab costs which puts you at a big disadvantage. You would be better served to learn the process to estimate rehab costs on your own and get your RE license if you are serious about making this a serious business for yourselves. Having MLS access will allow you to run comps on your own and immediate without the need to rely on others. It also allows you to rep yourself on the acquisition AND the resale increasing your spread in each deal. That said, you may have to give away commissions at times to get other agents to send you deals (which is fine).

Research here on BP in the forums how to accurately estimate rehab costs (there are many threads on this topic and I have personally gone into great detail on how its done properly many times).

Practice, practice and practice more on estimating rehab costs and exit values (ARV's). This will place you in a much better position to start making offers. Having deals being sent to you before you have this skill set is the cart before the horse mentioned above.

Post: Do you Inspect Fix & Flip Before Contract or During Contract?

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There is not a one size fits all answer to your question as the true answer is this: It depends! It depends on your market, your situation, the seller, and some other factors.

In a seller's market or any highly competitive market, your offer is stronger with no contingencies or a very short contingency (i.e. 5 days or less). Your offer is weaker with contingencies or longer term contingencies. The best practice is to walk the site whenever possible and identify the deficient items, then put together your estimated budget for repairs. You make your offer based on this info. Once under contract, you can then pay for your professional inspections if you need that. Re-trading the price using your inspections is typical from some, but keep in mind that it should only be used when items that were totally hidden from your eye are found. Re-trading the price claiming the kitchen and baths need updating and it needs landscape and paint is NOT a valid reason to re-trade the price in my opinion as these were easily identified in your initial walkthrough.

If you make offers sight unseen, then you will certainly need an inspection period contingency and get in there with your professionals once under contract.

Post: Missing something here?

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No, you are not missing much as your scenario is common to say the least. I get several “deals” everyday and in my high priced market, their fees they try to squeeze out of each are often in the 6 figures which I find absurd for simply locking up a contract with a seller at or close to retail, then expect a buyer to pay more. Crazy times.

Post: Fix and flip exit strategy

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This is another perfect example of why investors who flip should stay away from properties with major defects like flood plains, major streets, next to commercial, railroad tracks, air port flight paths, etc. You lose a lot of your potential buyers pool with these properties and the result is often a loser deal. Drop the price and get out of your dog, then deploy capital in a better investment and chalk up your losses to your educational expense! Trying to make this work by holding will likely make matters worse, especially in the environment we find ourselves today.

Post: Wholesellers - Stop. Read this. Wholesaling is ...

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Quote from @Cody L.:
Quote from @Will Barnard:

Let me remind EVERYBODY that personal attacks including name calling is a violation of the forum rules and your terms of service. If anyone continues with any attack, you will be suspended from forum activity and this thread will be shut down. This is the second thread in the last week regarding wholesaling with members making personal attacks.

Let’s be mature here or refrain from posting.

Now, can somebody please call animal control, this poor dead horse has been beaten so long and so many times! 

For the record, wholesaling is a job (marketing business) and is not investing, it is only illegal when the wholesaler performs the task illegally (which is apparent it is often, but not always) and it is a business strategy in the real estate field to make money. While some are scammers, some are immoral, some take advantage, some lie, etc, not All are that way (just as there are bad or poor operators in any business).

So if you don’t like wholesaling or wholesalers, we all get your pain, but to continue these threads over and over is a waste of everybody’s time and brings out those who want to troll (which is also a forum violation). If someone asks a question about how to or should I perform it this way or that, certainly provide your opinions based on your expertise, calling them dumb or any other attack is prohibited.


For the record, I'm (OP) not calling anyone dumb.  I'm saying the process by which many of these wholesalers go about trying to make $ is dumb.  And I think I made a pretty good case as to why.  I also think the people who prey on people looking to make money in RE with little work and $ are immoral as they're making money selling a system that they know won't work (it's like selling shovels to gold prospectors and pointing them to a spot where you know there's no gold)

 Perhaps I could have been more specific but a sprinkle of hyperbole makes life interesting. 

Maybe someone that's thinking of going down this type of wholesaling will read this and go another direction.  Thus be HELPED in their investing path.  Which is the point of the site (IMO at least)

I don't have anything personally to gain (except maybe less spam).  I'm not trying to sell anything and intentionally hide my personal data so people don't think I'm advertising. 

My post was a reminder to ALL and was NOT directed at you. Your post did not contain any violations and I can certainly be empathetic to your feelings as I have experienced much of the same over the years. It was others who were doing the name calling, FYI.