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All Forum Posts by: Asa Hunt

Asa Hunt has started 7 posts and replied 30 times.

Post: What happens if you can't participate in a capital call?

Asa HuntPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 23
Quote from @Erik W.:

It kind of scares me for a person who goes into a deal like this without understanding that this could happen or being prepared with resources when things do not work out as projected. It's sort of like a homeowner who signs up for a mortgage, then loses his job and asks, "What could happen to me if I don't pay my mortgage?" The Mortgage or Deed of Trust tells you: the lender will foreclose if you don't get current. Meanwhile, late fees and legal fees will be added on, making a bad situation even worse, until eventually it spirals totally out of control and the homeowner is forced out and loses much, if not all of their equity and may owe a deficit balance even after the property is liquidated.

As you said, you're in default. It usually means you're going to lose a significant amount of money. I haven't read your LP operating agreement says, but it might say the amount of the capital call will be deducted from your original investment amount. So let's say you had $100,000 invested. If the call is for $50,000, your "share" would to drop to $50,000 for all future payouts. If there are others in your group who likewise cannot meet the call requirement, then the project may go under and you may lose most, if not all of your investment. If the other partners are able to salvage the investment and make it profitable again, your share of distributions will be less as a result because you weren't in with the people who did the heavy lifting of providing the required capital when the project was in trouble.

Not trying to beat you up too hard, but next time be sure to understand the requirements of the deal you're getting into and have the cash reserves to participate before signing up ... or don't participate. I do hope it works out in the end.


 The call is for 25%, so I would expect dilution to that amount.

To your other points, much can change over lifetime of a project. I was laid off 2 months ago and our 2nd child is due this weekend. This is the only time in the last decade I've been sweating financially, so this call couldn't have come at a worse time. It'd be incredibly wreckless to send a large chunk of money out the door since I'm the primary bread winner.

Post: What happens if you can't participate in a capital call?

Asa HuntPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 23

Hi, folks. It looks like there's a mandatory capital call forthcoming in a project I'm an LP in. I can't contribute more money at this time so have no choice but to be in "default".

Besides not being able to collect distributions, if the project goes under, will I at least be entitled to my original investment amount if there are funds left over to return investor capital?

This is the language in the company agreement:

" a Defaulting Member shall be entitled only to the return of the balance in the Member’s Capital Account without any interest thereon."

Post: Defaulting during capital call: what happens?

Asa HuntPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 23

Hi, folks. It looks like there's a mandatory capital call forthcoming in a project I'm an LP in. I can't contribute more money at this time so have no choice but to be in "default".

Besides not being able to collect distributions, if the project goes under, will I at least be entitled to my original investment amount if there are funds left over to return investor capital?

This is the language in the company agreement:

" a Defaulting Member shall be entitled only to the return of the balance in the Member’s Capital Account without any interest thereon."

Post: Do people actually lose money in MF syndications?

Asa HuntPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 23

@Jay Hinrichs "and I predict since do it your self syndication is being taught like flipping houses.. the next 5 years are going to find many a deal with those who just bit off a little more than they can chew.."

@Brian Burke "There could be an interesting shake-out in the syndication sponsor space and a lot of hard lessons learned by passive investors who didn't take sponsor and offering selection seriously."

@Mike Dymski "There are investors who have had under-performing properties during the best bull run in the history of multifamily. Similar properties and operators will go under during the next downturn...lots of them."

@Jonathan Twombly "Over time, “least bad” morphed into “best” which then morphed into “safest” and even “does well in recessions”."

These are some incredible insights, so thank you for posting. As someone who has been learning about this space for the last 6 months, I really have been lead to believe multifamily is a nearly invincible asset because of this optimism. For all the reasons cited above, there's serious potential for a storm of new syndicators getting in trouble when the cycle turns. Especially those of us without a large warchest to cover a $15K mortgage payment for years.

So many sponsors have gotten in to this space during this cycle and made a killing.  It's going to be incredibly interesting to see how things shake out when the cycle changes. 

Post: Do people actually lose money in MF syndications?

Asa HuntPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 23
Originally posted by @Matt Millard:

Through my network I know of a guy whose father invested $50k in an Austin syndication that got moved to a different Houston property at last minute. The deal underperformed terribly & property & rent rolls declined instead of improving & they were sued as well. 5 years later he still doesn’t have his $50k back or any cash flow or other returns & thinks he never will. This is a worst case scenario for an LP. I believe the syndicator was new & had no track record & is now out of business.

 I hope the syndicator was at least in some kind of mentor group or partnered with someone. It seems very strange to tackle syndication as a newbie lone ranger.

Post: What would you look for in skills for trust building?

Asa HuntPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 23

Hey Clayton, I met you at a Think Multifamily meetup a few months back. There are a number of skills that can get you in to the management team of an apartment syndication:

0. Network like a bandit. The more people you know, the more opportunity you can create. 

1. Ability to raise money. If you can tap in to your existing network and find investors, there are groups that can get you in to the GP side of the deal.

2. Underwriting and deal flow. If you can network with brokers and perform underwriting, there are programs like Michael Blank's Deal Desk that can get the deal funded and cut you a check. Going back to step 0, if you talk to an experienced syndicator, you can ask them "hey, if I ever find a promising deal and do the underwriting, would you be interested in taking a look and potentially partnering on this?".

3. Invest passively as a limited partner and tell the GP you really want to use this as a learning experience.

Feel free to reach out to me if you want to talk about this more.

Post: Do people actually lose money in MF syndications?

Asa HuntPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 23

What scenarios lead to a LP investor losing their entire investment in a MF syndication? I've only heard stories of investments under-performing. Any examples of how you or someone you know of lost money would be helpful. I talk to a lot of folks that are afraid of losing their money and realized I don't know anyone who has lost money!

Post: Using an LLC. to make deals with other peoples money?

Asa HuntPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 23
Originally posted by @Jillian Sidoti:

Hi Eric. Let me know what you need. I am also coming our with a new raising money program next month that might be beneficial. I dont want to say the name because I dont want to be self promoting (thank you Canesha for the book shout out.)

I'm interested in the program. What are the details? I've officially rolled out the red carpet for some self-promotion. :)

Post: Underwriting Courses for Multi family

Asa HuntPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 23

Hey bud, good to see another North Dallas investor. This is an excellent (but complicated) model and has tutorials to accompany it. I would second checking out @Danny Randazzo's videos on underwriting, as they've been helpful for me.
https://www.adventuresincre.com/multifamily-apartment-acquisition-model-in-excel/

Post: Funding Needed for Large Apartment Building

Asa HuntPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Dallas, TX
  • Posts 30
  • Votes 23

Hey Angelo, as an alternative approach to what you're trying to accomplish, Michael Blank has a program you can submit deals to partner with him on. If you find a property that meets his criteria, he'll get it funded, and cut you a check. You can possibly stay on the GP side too if you know you're stuff.
http://www.themichaelblank.com/partner/