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All Forum Posts by: Arron Paulino

Arron Paulino has started 57 posts and replied 230 times.

Post: Squatters and Thiefs Keep It Up

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Jordan Ray:
Quote from @Arron Paulino:

I have vacant properties that have been a struggle to upkeep while they are on the market either to be rented out or sold, whichever comes first. One property had its water heater stolen not once but twice as well as the furnace in the second attempt. Another property continually has squatters even with boards up and bars in front of the windows and doors. Police reports have been made, but I fear that it has been a consistent battle to deal with, especially with investing out-of-state. Property management has been aware of the situation but can only do so much even with constantly redoing what is being removed and repaired. I know it has been costly to replace/repair the damage done especially with the property being vacant and a monthly mortgage payment due as well without any rental income coming in.

Any advice is greatly appreciated. Would love to hear from investors that have been in this type of situation and what has been successful for you in terms of keeping them out and being able to still sell the property and/or rent it out.

Hey Arron! What zip code is your properties in? I am in Memphis TN and I have buyers looking for property. I am sorry to hear about your experience with trying to sell your properties. Message me, I am interested to see if there is anything I can do to help!


 Hey Jordan! These properties are in the 38127 zip code east of Highway 51 sort of in the Alta Vista neighborhood. Please promote these to your buyers looking for properties. I appreciate you stepping in to do what you can!

Post: Squatters and Thiefs Keep It Up

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Jonathan Bock:

Probably a dealbreaker for a prospective buyer 

@Arron Paulino Has a local investor offered you a price to just exit ?


 Now that looks like some beefy security.

What do you mean by that?

I have had investors try to do seller financing but it was confusing in my case since I still had a mortgage on it and then he also wanted to do cash but drastically dropped the offer price so in the end we didn't come to an agreement. Another almost closed, but thieves stole my water heater not once but twice as well as the furnace to add to my dilemma. One of the properties has been in contract probably three times with long waits to close, and then when closing came, the buyers would either have an appraisal contingency fall through, not be familiar with the area, or didn't end up with enough funds to close the deal. It's really been a rollercoaster these past few months trying to sell the rest of my portfolio.

Post: Advice on Selling Portfolio

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Joe S.:
Quote from @Audrey Scott:

Given the recent market trends, I'd say we're currently in a seller's market. Strong demand and limited inventory are driving prices up.

I’m not so sure that we are in a sellers market 100%.  We got contacted yesterday by a realtor that cannot sell her client’s property. The seller owes more than its worth, since he bought the property at the peak of the market.  The realtor was asking us if we would be willing to buy it Sub2. Whereas it is a higher priced house with no equity we will probably pass, but that is just an example of how the market has changed.

I am leaning toward this reply. I did have a buyer try to purchase my property but I would have to do seller financing and with my current mortgage on the home, it proved to be difficult, and would much rather do a cash sale to avoid more paperwork as well as still being connected to the property based on the terms set.

Post: Advice on Selling Portfolio

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Bud Gaffney:

Why are you liquidating?!


 These properties just haven't been cutting it and exploring new ventures. My income versus expenses are lob-sided with me breaking even or losing money monthly so it just isn't making sense to hold these. Thoughts on how you would improve the situation?

Post: Advice on Selling Portfolio

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Jordan Ray:
Quote from @Arron Paulino:

I am currently liquidating my portfolio, which formerly held my rentals. I was able to package three of them in one deal, which ended up breaking even/not profitable (A little bummed on this one since I think the buyer (an investor) won the better side of the deal in terms of gaining equity on the houses). I have four more that I need to liquidate with a goal of having them all sold by the end of this year. They have been on the market for about three months now and I am working with my realtor to get them sold sooner.

The remaining properties have loans on them with one being free and clear and vacant, two being vacant with mortgages, and one is currently rented with a monthly mortgage payment due. I am trying to see if it makes financial and/or market sense to rehab them and possibly rent them out or just leave them as-is. I am leaning towards as-is due to the lack of funds in my current situation. Once sold, my goal is to have these mortgages paid off from the BRRRR method that I did and move on to different investing opportunities. At first, I wanted to just save it to build up enough investment funds to move to my next deal, but open to suggestions.

Any advice on steps to take to move in the right direction if you were in my position is greatly appreciated. Would like to hear from any investors that have been in this type of situation.


Hey Arron, these are the questions where you should be able to dial up your realtor and ask him/her and get a professional response with a plan of action.. If this is not the case, you might need to look into finding another agent.


 Hey Jordan,

Cool to hear from someone from Memphis about my properties in Memphis! I've had a chat with my realtor and really going over a game plan on how to tackle these properties. We came up with if it made financial sense for me to just have these rented out, but in my case, it would require funds that I don't have, and do not feel comfortable taking out another rehab loan on top of the already existing mortgage to keep the property. Also, we are attempting to sell them as-is to a willing buyer. It has been about three months now. I don't think it has to do with being stuck on the market, but rather I was under contract with a couple of interested buyers, but they backed out for various reasons when it came time to close the property, which was a bummer for me feeling confident we could have closed. I'll give it another month and see where we stand. Maybe if they do not see any movement, you may have another client coming your way.

Post: Advice on Selling Portfolio

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @V.G Jason:

Investing in Memphis tells me almost everything I needed to know.

I don't blame you for selling. I push back against the dogmatic belief that because it didn't work for me this time, it's a failure. My recommendation would be consolidation not liquidation.

Tap out of Memphis,  get your 80c on the dollar back if you can. Re-invest with more of a reserve in a better market, and understand you may not have the quantity or "doors" you are dreaming on your vision board. You'll have better quality assets, and  more reserves. This level of confidence is derived from conviction and discipline, and that's how you invest. Not like a yo-yo. 


 I'm glad we're getting straight to the point. It's been a struggle.

I'm definitely not giving up on real estate investing and just need to clean house for a better result. Do you mind elaborating on the consolidation versus liquidation approach? I currently have the four properties in Memphis on the market and it's probably been about 3 months since they have been listed. Currently, I don't really have wiggle room in my budget to rehab these properties to hold better value on the market, have mortgages on 3/4 of them, and 1/4 is currently rented. Any advice?

Ditto on tapping out. Really just looking to take my L and do better on the next. Trying to get back to the level I was at when I first started my journey with a good chunk of savings and better reserves with the knowledge I have acquired to step into the right situations. For sure looking more for quality over quantity. This up-and-down journey takes a lot of grit.

Post: Advice on Selling Portfolio

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Cory M.:

Hey Arron, I'm sorry for your negative experience! Can I ask if you've been using a property manager and what circumstances led to the properties being mostly vacant? One way to turn these properties around might just be to get them tenanted with a good manager in place.


 Hey Cory,

Thanks for the comfort! I have been using a property management company to manage these properties, but as many would agree, that you always have to still manage your manager. I would say the type of neighborhood it was in was questionable, although when I ran the numbers, it looked good at first. My property manager was diligent with picking the right tenant, which I appreciated, but that comes with really narrowing down a pool of applicants that would have been okay in the short term.

I am trying to decide what is best right now and getting them rented out would make sense, but my problem is the lack of funds I currently am facing to rehab them to get them back to rent-ready condition and the monthly mortgage really hindering my ability to save up for these rehab funds. That is why I am currently trying to sell them as-is.

Post: Advice on Selling Portfolio

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Audrey Scott:

Given the recent market trends, I'd say we're currently in a seller's market. Strong demand and limited inventory are driving prices up.


 That is what I am thinking too. I am in the process of selling all of my current properties, but am facing the hardship of getting willing buyers/investors looking to get into a lower-tier neighborhood. I did have okay rental income when they were all occupied but definitely could have done better.

Post: Advice on Selling Portfolio

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Stuart Udis:

@Arron Paulino I've posted on this many times over the last year and my advice normally falls on deaf ears. Most haven't taken their properties acquired through the BRRRR method full cycle and gone through the sale process you are experiencing. I am not anti-BRRRR, or believe its a bad strategy. The problem most encounter is placing too great of an emphasis on the return of capital at the end of the renovation process. In fact most new BRRRR investors prioritize whether they can receive 100% of their capital back through a refinance over all other deal metrics and being laser focused on that particular objective often leads to investing in the lowest tier neighborhood where it is easier to complete the BRRRR process.

The reason why you're struggling is quite simple, all you have to do is ask yourself who the buyer is if and when you sell. As you've found out based on the portfolio sale, its another investor. Makes sense, why would an investor like yourself pay the same amount as you when there's a ton of inventory in a low barrier of entry neighborhood. They can simply replicate exactly what you did in the first place. This is the part most miss. 

If you are going to complete the BRRRR method in a lower tier neighborhood, select a neighborhood with the fundamentals that indicate the neighborhood will transition to a neighborhood where home ownership will become more prevalent. When that shift occurs you will experience appreciation that can actually be realized in a sale because you are no longer limited to selling your real estate to other investors. These neighborhoods exist and aren't difficult to spot but most ignore the characteristics because they are hyper focused on whether they can achieve their BRRRR refinance and ignore everything else.


Most begin by purchasing lower tier real estate because the price points align with capabilities. There's nothing wrong with that and It's often impossible to jump from the lower tier properties to more expensive real estate after the first round trip because most fail to make a profit. Don't be afraid to purchase the lower tier real estate the second go around if you are focused on the correct fundamentals. Perhaps you have to leave some of your money in the deal, but if you hit it correct and the neighborhood appreciates you will do quite well. Investors ask how do I scale....well that's how you scale. You acquire real estate that has meaningful appreciation that can be realized, not merely buying a bunch of doors in stagnant markets with appraised equity that's can't be realized when the property is sold. 


Your advice is very sound and makes sense. In my case, I am encountering this problem and did not effectively perform the BRRRR as best as I could have. I was so locked in on the cashout refinance portion of the BRRRR and kind of brushed off the part of what if I do actually have to sell, which I am in now. The lower-tier neighborhood entry was easier but then came the risk of needing to sell if it didn't perform.

I agree. I think the buyer has to be another investor willing to pick up where I left off. I was able to get interested buyers (investors) under contract, but a couple ended up backing out either due to the appraisal contingency, inspection, or lack of funds which are all common reasons. It is tough to go through the whiffs on these contracts, but I am understanding this is part of the process and need to really get my emotions out of it. 

You are really hitting the nail on the head. I'm really kicking myself on being obsessed with the cashout and blinded by all of the other factors that come with the deal. I think once I get my footing again I'll do more research on better locations that appreciate and hold onto that appreciation with future growth.

The appraised equity really is putting me out and stuck with settling for what the going rate of the current market is. I am definitely happy I at least got started in my real estate investing journey and am taking away knowledge I would have not had if I just stumbled with the what-ifs. It is the downside of investing right now for me but know I'll be able to pick it up once I focus more on the correct fundamentals.

Post: Advice on Selling Portfolio

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Stuart Udis:

@Arron Paulino   Once sold, my goal is to have these mortgages paid off from the BRRRR method that I did and move on to different investing opportunities. That sentence sums it up.  My guess is these are properties in lower tier neighborhoods. Why else are you breaking even when there was purportedly 20%-25% equity in these when you refinanced to complete the BRRRR method? I am arriving at this conclusion because the appraisals relied upon for the BRRRR method in these lower tier neighborhoods rarely equate to actual results in an arms length transaction.

You say the investor got the better of you in terms of gaining equity but the equity you thought you had was only paper equity and not equity that would be realized. What you experienced is the norm, so don't feel as if the buyer got the better of you.  After experiencing first hand how difficult it is to handle lower tier neighborhood sales, why even consider renovating the remaining properties? Move on, cut your losses, learn from it and invest in better markets next time. Hopefully you at least built some good industry relationships while going through this exercise.  I made the same mistake with my first purchase 12 years ago when I bought a duplex in a C/D Philadelphia neighborhood. 

This can be a good lesson for others who complete BRRRR transactions in lower tier neighborhoods and believe they are sitting on equity they can realize when they go to sell their properties. Unfortunately you will rarely see it materialize as Arron just learned. I am sure many would consider other investment strategies besides continually recycling their capital collecting homes that are propped up with appraised values that are not attainable if the properties were marketed for sale. Unfortunately this is not the narrative the coaches, mentors and gurus share when they push you towards this strategy.
 


I appreciate your detailed response. These are in lower-tier neighborhoods that seemed like good deals when I first got the deal, but now realizing that I could've done better. I think I do want to get better at calculating ARV and understanding what appraisers really look into when calculating how this equity is acquired.

Thanks for the reassurance. At this point, I am just selling them as-is and cutting my losses so I can move on. Really taking this as a learning lesson on what I should do going forward. I'd like to learn more about what happened in your experience and how you were able to overcome this challenge in order to get better. What would you do in my situation if your goal was to get this sold, hopefully, by the end of the year?

Yeah, it really has been a tough scenario, and I want to share it with those that are considering the BRRRR method. It can really look good on paper and in my case being a couple of years down the road, it may not really work out how you envisioned when the property was first acquired especially in a lower-tier neighborhood. It is better to get the right one rather than multiple mediocre ones to try to build your portfolio. I did get suckered into the narrative of those who say to try this method and am now realizing the sour end of the situation looking to recover in the future for the better.