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All Forum Posts by: Arron Paulino

Arron Paulino has started 57 posts and replied 230 times.

Post: How do Subject To Offers work for the seller? Won't the loan be called due?

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Joe Homs:
Quote from @Arron Paulino:  Paperwork is very important in this type of transaction, but so is Escrow and Title as well.  The loan can be called, but in the 45 years I have been doing this I can only recall a handful of cases and it usually was Credit Unions or private money lenders.  

 That is my issue with the loan being called due, but I am thinking it should just fall on the buyer once the title is transferred. Hopefully that is the case.

Post: How do Subject To Offers work for the seller? Won't the loan be called due?

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Joe S.:
Quote from @Arron Paulino:
Quote from @Joe S.:

I'm not here to promote or denounce Sub2. I will say this, there are a number of investors if you want to call them that that have VA's that are making multiple offers for them. Now you said they wanna buy it in a trust account.

Here’s my rant.. talking big words is quite stupid for them to do. It’s juvenile behavior. The confused mind says no so by them using difficult to understand terminology….They’re confusing people.


 What would that mean to buy it in a trust account?

I agree. I'm more of a straight to the point investor and just want to know what the endgame is in the deal so I have more clarity. It's not really a benefit to be confusing.


For simplicity, it's a way that some people choose to take title. At closing, you would deed the property into the trust and the new buyer would have beneficial interest of the trust. So that's what I was simply saying was a moot point on the front end discussing with a seller. The question is are you fine with someone taking over your payments and leaving your loan in place. if you are fine with that, then the Sub2 buyer should simply instruct the attorney and/ or title company how they want to take title of property. Like I said, I am not telling you to sell your property Sub2 and I'm not telling you not to.


 Thanks for the clarification. I always thought that the assumption of mortgage meant that they essentially replace me as the initial party paying off the mortgage and now they pay the monthly payments and have the title. Please let me know if this is the gyst of it. I am just looking to find the most efficient, seamless, and breakeven/limited funds owed option in all of this at closing.

Post: How do Subject To Offers work for the seller? Won't the loan be called due?

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Jonathan Bock:

@Arron Paulino

Responding to this and your other posts, has any actual real live investor from Memphis offered you cash? Not - Sub2, owner financing, wholesale, contingent offers, but hard verifiable cash.

Someone who knows and works the area regularly?  

If you need an exit for a reset this may be an option you want to investigate further.  


 I actually got an option from a buyer to buy all of my remaining properties in cash. It is a little lower than I expected but I will be able to sell these off, however, it may be at a loss and is less than what I had mortgaged on these houses so I would probably need to come up with cash at closing, which is not ideal. They also gave me a subject to option for all of them, where they take over the existing mortgages and provide cash upfront. Thoughts?

Post: How do Subject To Offers work for the seller? Won't the loan be called due?

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Joe S.:

I'm not here to promote or denounce Sub2. I will say this, there are a number of investors if you want to call them that that have VA's that are making multiple offers for them. Now you said they wanna buy it in a trust account.

Here’s my rant.. talking big words is quite stupid for them to do. It’s juvenile behavior. The confused mind says no so by them using difficult to understand terminology….They’re confusing people.


 What would that mean to buy it in a trust account?

I agree. I'm more of a straight to the point investor and just want to know what the endgame is in the deal so I have more clarity. It's not really a benefit to be confusing.

Post: How do Subject To Offers work for the seller? Won't the loan be called due?

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Joe Homs:

@Arron Paulino you can find some great information online (youtube) from Pace Morby on this subject.  In a subject to transaction the buyer is taking over the responsibility of the seller loan without the lender knowing about it.  If you do it correctly and have the correct paperwork its a great way to buy property with little or no money down.

Seller financing is the "Seller" acting as the bank with their equity and loaning the buyer that amount of money for a negotiated period of time.  This is also a great way to buy property for a longer term.

You should do your research first.

Good Investing...


 Thanks for the reply.

What I am trying to figure out is how to make sure that the paperwork is all good at closing? Just trying to make sure it isn't called due right away or in the middle of the term as then we'd be scrambling to figure out how to pay it off when we both agreed to be on a payment plan until the balloon payment at the end is due.

Seller finance makes sense in where I'd essentially be the lender collecting monthly payments until due.

Post: How do Subject To Offers work for the seller? Won't the loan be called due?

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89

Does someone mind explaining subject to offers? I ask as I have received offers from buyers that want to do an assumption of the current mortgage via trust acquisition and provide a down payment due to the seller. The terms would be a 30-day closing with a 10-day inspection period. 

Another offer is asking for owner finance for 84 months with monthly payments due to seller. Wouldn't the loan be able to be called due in this case or is there a loophole? Is there any way of reducing closing costs? Anything I should be aware of and counter with if needed? 

Post: Advice on Selling Portfolio

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Arron Paulino:
Quote from @V.G Jason:

Investing in Memphis tells me almost everything I needed to know.

I don't blame you for selling. I push back against the dogmatic belief that because it didn't work for me this time, it's a failure. My recommendation would be consolidation not liquidation.

Tap out of Memphis,  get your 80c on the dollar back if you can. Re-invest with more of a reserve in a better market, and understand you may not have the quantity or "doors" you are dreaming on your vision board. You'll have better quality assets, and  more reserves. This level of confidence is derived from conviction and discipline, and that's how you invest. Not like a yo-yo. 


 I'm glad we're getting straight to the point. It's been a struggle.

I'm definitely not giving up on real estate investing and just need to clean house for a better result. Do you mind elaborating on the consolidation versus liquidation approach? I currently have the four properties in Memphis on the market and it's probably been about 3 months since they have been listed. Currently, I don't really have wiggle room in my budget to rehab these properties to hold better value on the market, have mortgages on 3/4 of them, and 1/4 is currently rented. Any advice?

Ditto on tapping out. Really just looking to take my L and do better on the next. Trying to get back to the level I was at when I first started my journey with a good chunk of savings and better reserves with the knowledge I have acquired to step into the right situations. For sure looking more for quality over quantity. This up-and-down journey takes a lot of grit.


Consolidation versus liquidation, as in consolidate the portfolio rather than fully liquidate from RE. Sell these 4 properties, go buy 2-3 significantly better one's with better reserves and really extract the value from REI by buying distressed & fixing up, and holding.

These aren't set it and forget it type investments. As much "passive" income is pushed here, or turnkey, etc., these are active investments for one for two these are physical assets. They require significant more work than people account for.

The first 1-5 years this will yo-yo, so be over equipped for it. Buying distressed & fixing yourself gives you the full intel on the quality of your product, buying 2 rather than 4 you can pay for better locations, then having reserves gives you a healthy peace of mind.


 I do plan on selling these properties to dive into better investments to restart my investment journey and strengthen my reserves.

I do agree. I've really had to manage my property manager as an example and ensure that I am really getting the return forecasted for my investments.

Peace of mind is the goal at the end of the day. I look forward to more quality investments and not having a rapid fire mindset that led to a spiral downwards going forward.

Post: Advice on Selling Portfolio

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Alan Asriants:

Hey Arron, looks like you got some great advice from some users on here. I am glad that you are aware of your situation and are cutting your losses before convincing yourself that the numbers "will" work eventually. As you have experienced this is the nature of these transactions. That being said I do want to leave you with a few pointers for your next deals so you don't run into same scenario

1. Don't invest out of state unless you KNOW the neighborhood. Many investors, especially those from NY and CA are pushed to invest out of state because their price points are way too expensive. This is a good reason to pursue RE out of state. But investing out of state is far riskier when not fully understanding the market. You must rely on people you don't know to tell you what works and what doesn't. this is why many fall into the trap of great "on paper" BRRRRs. We have a lot of these cruddy deals in philly. Sure you get your money out, but then you can't rent the darn thing or sell bc no one wants it at that inflated price, and you realize your tenant pool is doo doo

2. You're better off owning one solid househack in the long term than a bunch of these lower class deals. Just consider your own market. Looking at the history of the market, your appreciation will be 10x stronger in your market holding just 1 property than trying to manage 12 doors out of state. Having one solid 1.5M property is better than 7-12 cruddy 120k properties. You'll thank yourself in 10 years and will have all of your hair from not managing all of those units...

3. Think long term. Don't be concerned about appreication after 1 year. Where is this area going to be in 10, 15, or 20 years? Many people underestimate the power of a couple absolute solid PAID OFF Class A RE!

Sometimes its not about the quantity of RE, its about the quality of the RE- this applies in many parts of life

Good luck!


 Hey Alan, thanks for the response! Yes, I am really getting value out of the input from the community and learning to cut my losses and move on. The numbers only looked good initially and really led to headaches in actuality.

It really was hard to step out of my tunnel vision when I was over the moon when I heard of the profit I could make rather than looking at my own market with my initial funds.

I agree that one or two solid investments outweigh many cruddy properties just to show that I have so many under my belt.

Quality over quantity is the motto going forward for sure.

Post: Squatters and Thiefs Keep It Up

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Jonathan Klemm:

Hi @Arron Paulino - This sounds like some properties we have delt with on the south side of Chicago.  Not fun or enjoyable in any form or fashion.  

We made specific trips to the local police precinct to speak with the drug task unit, but importantly, we networked with someone who absolutely knew what they were doing.  Having someone who has owned and operated a similar asset is worth its weight in gold.  We could also tie our security cameras into the police system as part of a local program here in Chicago.

We also paid "house sitters" to keep the squatters out!!


 Not fun indeed!

Nice to hear you were able to find solutions to make the best of the situation. I didn't know you are able to tie your security cameras into the police system. Did it cost anything to get this setup?

How often would you have these house sitters come to the property? Would they be there while the property would wait to be rented out or until sold?

Post: Squatters and Thiefs Keep It Up

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 245
  • Votes 89
Quote from @Sebastian Bennett:

It's funny because I actually had a dream of setting these up and seeing how this would play out lol