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All Forum Posts by: Arron Paulino

Arron Paulino has started 53 posts and replied 214 times.

Post: Contractor DId Not Follow Through

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 229
  • Votes 83
Quote from @Karen Margrave:

What are your numbers? How much will it cost to complete the work, and what would the ARV be? What is the value as it sits? The problem you have is that it's very hard to get a contractor to come in behind another contractor, as there's too much liability. Also, you should get lien releases from the contractor and any subcontractors that have done work on your property. How long has it been since any work has been done?

The simplest solution is to talk to the contractor. Tell him you know things happen, and ask what it would take to get things pulled back together to finish the job. If you have to put more money out for materials because he doesn't have the money to buy them, make sure you pay for the materials and have them delivered. Control your money and your job, don't rely on the contractor to do it, because obviously he can't. 

If it's not possible for him to do it, ask him for a detailed list of the work that still needs to be done, a list of the subcontractors, etc. and see if you can act as your own contractor, schedule the subs, and get the house finished. 

We live in CA, NOTHING is illegal here anymore, and if it is, it's never prosecuted. You can file a complaint with the Contractors License Board and that may help recover some of the damages.


 My numbers going into the property:

- Purchase Price = $45,000

- Rehab = $45,000 (the contractor did work and I'm going to assume a quarter of this was actually utilized for the project)

- Estimated Selling Price/ARV = $145,000

I reached out to other contractors to get this project at least cleanup/sellable condition which would be $25-35k. The estimated value that my selling agent was able to find without this property having utilities working is $49k at the highest. The liability part is what one contractor stated when I was doing my search for a new contractor to finish the work. How do I get lien releases from the contractor? It has been over a month since he last did work. I've had this property for about four months now.

I actually did try to reason with my original contractor to which he keeps replying with reassurance and excuses for why he wasn't able to get back to me right away (sick, weather, time off, etc.). He's been really weird as he asked me for an advance before starting this project which I denied as I wouldn't want to pay someone for work they haven't even completed and I didn't have a project at the time. I will definitely be very tight with my money going forward.

I did have other contractors go into the property and show them the scope of work that was put into place by the original contractor so they have an idea of what to expect.

Would this work for an out-of-state property? TN is where this investment fix and flip is located. I do agree things are getting out of hand in CA and really hoping for better times.

Post: Contractor DId Not Follow Through

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 229
  • Votes 83
Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

@Arron Paulino, this is unfortunately a VERY VERY common mistake. Paying ANY contractor too far ahead of the work they have completed is very risky even if they have a good track record with you.

How much work have they failed to complete? Is it egregious and obvious that they took money and just failed to come back to complete the work?

The reason I ask those questions is that in SOME cases it may rise to the level of fraud and be something you can actually report to the police. In my state (PA), there is even a specific contractor fraud law to cover this. However, even in my state its hard to get authorities to prosecute these cases unless they are REALLY obvious and egregious. Otherwise they will just refuse to take action and tell you its a "civil matter".

However, if you can get them to investigate, that MAY prompt the contractor to make good and finish the work out of fear of prosecution.

If that doesn't work, look carefully at the contractor's situation to decide whether to sue or not. Do, they have any assets you will be able to go after to force payment. A civil judgement is just a piece of paper unless you can use it for force payment. Many times a contractor is not collectible as they have few assets. When you are deciding this you also want to consider how you did business with them. Was it with them as a person did they use an LLC or other business entity. That will tell you who you have to sue and what entity's assets you could go after to force payment.


 Thanks for the reply. Yes, it's been difficult to deal with even though I had thought we built rapport with each other.

After having my selling agent visit the property to do a checkup, it looks like it has been halfway completed. The interior had progress but the exterior was starting to progress however not quite. It seems like they had good intentions in the beginning but started to slack and get the funds without completing his work.

I have talked to my agent and I wouldn't be the only one involved in this fraudulent activity from this contractor. He is in TN so I am not familiar with suing someone and do not really know the procedure.

I really tried to persuade him to finish his work as he's been good in the past but it sounds like he really took advantage of me. I don't know of any other projects he is working on. I know he was let go from his previous company so I should have seen that as a red flag right away.

Apparently, he is still going about his life like nothing wrong is happening which is odd and really seems arrogant. I have texts and emails saying that he was supposedly following through with his work but he would never back it up with visual proof and just word of mouth.

I am looking to see how to recoup my money to pay someone else to finish the work rather than just take a huge financial loss by selling off the property for what I paid for it and losing out on the rehab funds I had put into this project. Definitely a learning lesson.

Post: Contractor DId Not Follow Through

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 229
  • Votes 83

I have a fix and flip project in which my previous contractor (who previously had been a rockstar) did partial work and has not followed through with his work. I regrettably paid him off (I know I shouldn't have!) and he keeps reassuring me that he will complete the work.

Trying to go through my options here:

- Sell the property as-is and offload to another investor looking to take on this project. My agent has told me that I essentially will be listing the property for what I had bought it for so I am at a loss due to the money I paid the contractor. I was really looking forward to this project as it would be my first fix and flip with good numbers. I usually BRRRR but wanted to generate income on the side.

- Find another contractor (that I will for sure vet better) to take on this project but I will need to find additional funding to get this going

- Sue my previous contractor. Not really sure how to go about this as I haven't sued anyone before but really am looking at this route to somehow recoup my rehab funds. I still contact him and he responds surprisingly.

Looking forward to the guidance of the BP community as I am sure I'm not the only one this has happened to.

Post: Hard Money Lending To Scale

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 229
  • Votes 83

I currently am working on finding private lending, but have found it easier to obtain hard money loans. They are more costly but have been more efficient in getting the ball rolling for my BRRRRs. After a while, do hard money lender terms get better as you continue to do business with them?

I am looking into scaling my portfolio by attempting fix and flips. I currently just buy and hold but would like to generate some side income and gain flipping experience. Looking forward to the responses!

Post: Current Real Estate Meetups in the Peninsula of the Bay Area

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 229
  • Votes 83

Hello!

Does anyone know of any current real estate meetups in the Peninsula of the Bay Area? I am looking to connect with real estate investors but haven't found a consistent meetup group. I've checked out Meetups.com and Facebook groups but haven't been successful.

My other option is to start my own meetup group. What would this entail? How do I go about picking a venue and limiting costs so that way we can all brainstorm and put our real estate investing knowledge to use?

Look forward to the responses!

Post: Owens Financial Group LLC

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 229
  • Votes 83
Quote from @Erik Estrada:
Quote from @Arron Paulino:

Has anyone used or heard of Owens Financial Group LLC? I am looking to seek funds from them but want to see if anyone has feedback to share. Look forward to the responses!


 Hey Arron, 

What are they offering that you are uneasy to work with them? 


 Hey Erik,

It's not what they are offering that is making me uneasy. It is the delay in getting financing in a timely manner so that I may begin my rehab on my fix and flip that is making me feel not very confident in their ability to deliver. Usually, I would think receiving funds would not take a month to get to me if everything as in paperwork and fees are settled immediately. 

Post: Owens Financial Group LLC

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 229
  • Votes 83
Quote from @Jack Tulloch:

Hey Arron,

I have not personally heard of them but would recommend looking into their online presence/reviews. Although, I am sure you have already done this. There are a lot of great lenders out there and a lot of questionable lenders too. You can generally get a good feel for a company by having a phone call with them but certainly need to be cautious if there is little information about them available. Hope this helps.


 Thank you for the response Jack! I will do further due diligence to make a better decision. 

Post: Owens Financial Group LLC

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 229
  • Votes 83

Has anyone used or heard of Owens Financial Group LLC? I am looking to seek funds from them but want to see if anyone has feedback to share. Look forward to the responses!

Post: Entity or No Entity

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 229
  • Votes 83
Quote from @Eliott Elias:

It depends what loan product you are using. There are DSCR lenders that allow you to close in your personal name.


Thanks for the response, Eliott! I know for the long-term hold I am leaning towards DSCR especially since I heard the conventional financing seasoning period changed from six to twelve months. I am looking for bridge and/or fix and flip loans, but my search has led to lenders needing an entity.

Post: Entity or No Entity

Arron PaulinoPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • South San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 229
  • Votes 83

Some lenders that I have spoken to require an entity in order to get funding. The BRRRRs I have done in the past were essentially bought with my own capital and/or a hard money lender that pushed through with funding to purchase the property. Are there any lenders out there that can lend using title in my personal name? I think I will be comfortable having an entity later on when I have more properties in my portfolio. Look forward to your responses!