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All Forum Posts by: Andrey Rudenko

Andrey Rudenko has started 4 posts and replied 34 times.

Quote from @Ron Brady:

If the most recent 20 years is instructive, I expect more of the same.  From the far-left we'll see efforts to pass rent control which will not go anywhere, and more landlord regulations, some of which will happen.  From the far-right we'll see more efforts to expand and protect property owners' highly-favorable tax status,  some of which will happen, and efforts to scale back laws intended to promote greater equal housing opportunity by limiting landlord discretion, most of which will not happen.  After quite a bit of heat, politicians pandering on both sides will either do nothing because they cannot come to consensus or will make modest changes. My take is that the far left genuinely believes that the majority of what businesses do is evil and that government can intervene to repair this reality while the far right genuinely believes that much of what government does is evil and that the free market consistently yields the best outcomes.  We try to ignore the noise produced by partisans on either side and focus on, as @Bjorn Ahlblad has articulated, the service we provide to our residents, whatever the political winds.  May not be what others do, but it works for us.


 Excellent balanced perspective!

Quote from @Bjorn Ahlblad:

@Andrey Rudenko Most states will pass tenant friendly legislation. A few may favor LL. Rents will continue to rise faster than wages. Most tenants recognize the value proposition for good rentals, and know they need to pay rent. Just like most LL value good tenants and treat them well.

How well you screen, or how well your PM screens, will go a long way to determine success or failure. As a template for 10 years into the future look at Europe. Most places are very tenant friendly-an eviction may take 5 years. Dismal right? No, there are successful LL's there. You just need to be real good at picking the right tenant and offering them value and safety. IMO anyway.


 What a great point! I was also looking at Europe as a "future" US in terms of housing and perhaps other economic factors. Good insight 

What do you guys think about next 10 years of regulation, both federal and state, regarding rentals? What we are seeing here in Massachusetts is consistent efforts to pass legislation like 2% real estate transfer tax, tenants right of first refusal, some sort of rent control, a form of eviction moratoria etc. These bills come up for vote but most do not pass so far from what I understand. 

With the rents growing way faster than incomes, do you see proliferation of subsidized housing and increased regulation? Or do you think this environment will change over time from weak property rights to stronger property rights?

Post: Should i hire attorney with aol email address?

Andrey RudenkoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Clinton, MA
  • Posts 35
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I did have my attorney who had aol email. They were reaaally slow to update it, but now they have a more legit domain :) Turned out all good, great attorney.

Post: Housing crisis as incomes do not catch up with home prices

Andrey RudenkoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Clinton, MA
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 35

Housing prices, like prices of anything else are driven by the overall supply and demand. The supply is driven by the available inventory while the demand has many input factors in it. Here we will try to see what may happen in the future of housing prices by comparing the historical relationship between the case schiller housing index and personal annual income per capita (both on log 10 scale).

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In 1933 during the depth of the Great Depression, both incomes and the housing index saw a massive simultaneous drop. The recovery for housing and incomes, however, was different. From 1933 to 1937, the incomes recovered at a much faster rate than housing prices. In 1938, the incomes declined again while the housing prices remained mostly flat until a drop in 1941 due to massive liquidity shortage. From 1938 until 1943, the incomes experienced another parabolic growth, while the housing price growth was delayed until 1942. After 1942, the housing prices recovered at the same rate as incomes recovered 4 years earlier showing a 4 year delay in housing recovery. The other factors that contributed to housing price growth from 1942 until 1947 are low mortgage rates, increasing M2 money supply and new low down payment loan options: FHA, FNMA and VA loans. In 1949 incomes saw a small decrease again followed by a rapid recovery in 1950. 3 years after, in 1953 the housing prices mimicked the income recovery, showing a delayed effect of income growth on housing price yet again. In 1954-1956, similar delayed effect is seen again, however, on much smaller scale. Such delay could be attributed to people saving more money for a few years and going house shopping once the down payment is saved up.

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In summary, from 1930 to 1960, the housing prices had a delayed correlation with incomes, but were also driven by other factors such as, low down payment loan options, low interest rates and liquidity in the capital markets. In the next 30 years, this situation would change a lot.

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From 1960 to 1990, the incomes grew steadily, without any appreciable pullback despite several recessions in 1960, 1970, 1974, 1980 and 1981. Such growth was primarily due to rising inflation. During this time, the housing prices generally mimicked income growth, however, without noticeable "delayed" effect that was seen in 1930-1960. The main driver or housing price growth in 1960-1990 was incomes growth, the M2 money creation (the greater liquidity in capital markets) and the new loan options: Freddie Mac and ARM loans in 1980, but not the interest rates that skyrocketed by 1980s.

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The same trend continued until 2009, when the impact of the 2008 GFC was so strong that despite relatively low interest rates and continued M2 money creation, the incomes dropped following by the housing price bottoming in 2011-2012 (2-3 years later). After 2009, the incomes began steady recovery again, that helped housing prices recovery 2-3 years later, showing the delayed effect that was previously seen only in 1930s and 1940s. From 2009 onward, the housing prices were driven by income growth as well as historically low interest rates and massive money printing, but not by new loan options as lending became much more restricted after the Dodd Frank Act of 2010.

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In 2020 massive changes took place that fueled housing price growth yet again: the supply was restricted as sellers became less comfortable going through traditional selling process and material and labor availability dried up, and the demand increased due to massive stimulus programs, M2 money creation and another drop in the interest rates. Now in 2022, we are seeing the effects of this supply/demand imbalance as housing price growth vastly outpaces income growth, creating a severe housing shortage. Going forward, we do expect the mortgage rates to rise in the next 1-2 years, the stimulus effect (savings) to dry up over time (especially given massive current inflation that shows no signs of slowing down), and the pace of money creation to slow down as well from both the commercial bank lending and also from Fed debt monetization (at least that is what Fed is saying – what they will be actually doing is a different question). These factors will lead to demand decrease. This does not necessarily mean a slowdown in home price growth as it is currently unclear what will happen on the supply side (existing inventory and labor + materials shortages + building and zoning regulation). In a free market, it is much easier to make a bet on growth or decline of a given asset (as long as all variables are taken into account). However, the US housing is far from being a free market. Historically, the biggest unknown has been government intervention – when and what they will do.

Post: How does primary home HELOC affect Cash-out refi on investment?

Andrey RudenkoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Clinton, MA
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 35

It will affect in 2 ways: if you have to make payments on heloc, it will affect DSCR, and even if you don't use the money, it will show up as a possible risk to the lending institution. That being said, DSCR is what lenders look at most on residential lending side. Having heloc never raised any questions for me.

Post: Age old question... buy or wait?

Andrey RudenkoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Clinton, MA
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 35

I have been studying the legend investor Sam Zell. One of his golden nuggets: maintain the staying power. As long as you have power to stay in the position (enough reserves, enough income to cover expenses and effective management) then any storm (that noone is really able to predict) can be managed through. So if you have staying power, then you could use the age old saying: don't wait to buy real estate - buy real estate and wait.

Post: Housing Crash after Fed Rate Hike?

Andrey RudenkoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Clinton, MA
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 35
Quote from @Eudith Vacio:

Hi @Andrey Rudenko. - the information you provided is extremely useful in understanding the overall state over the economy over the last decades. I think this a question everyone has on top of their mind with the recent rise in inflation, interest rates, and money supply. 

It will be very interesting to see how all of these changes will impact the housing market and while I realize every market is different on a micro-level, I don't suspect there to be a housing crash. Maybe a housing correction, where prices will not rise as drastically as they have in the last couple of years. Here in Chicago, we are still seeing median home prices move up and come off the market quicker. 

You have written some great articles, and look forward to many more as we move along throughout the year! :)


 Thank you very much for kind words! I am curious as well how things will play out in the next 8-10 years. 

Post: Housing Crash after Fed Rate Hike?

Andrey RudenkoPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Clinton, MA
  • Posts 35
  • Votes 35

After a period of low interest rates that fueled housing market, the Federal Reserve is meeting on March 14-15 with the stated goal to raise the benchmark interest rates from near zero. Many are saying that this will lead to softening in the real estate market, if not a price pullback. The reasoning is that the mortgage rates are expected to go up as well, increasing monthly payments for borrowers and diluting the staying power. While it is true that if mortgage rates go up it will indeed be harder to afford homes at the same price as now, it is important to keep in mind that the mortgage rates do not really correlate with the benchmark interest rate set by the Fed. This rate is simply an overnight borrowing rate between the banks. Instead, the mortgage rates better correlate with the long-term maturity bond rates, such as a 30 yr treasury bond. The reason for it is that the mortgage notes are now sold on a secondary market as mortgage-backed securities and they directly compete for investment dollars with similar fixed income securities, such as treasury securities. There are many types of treasury securities: short term (less than 1 yr – called T-bills), medium term (2yr - 10 yr – called T-notes) and long term (20, 25 and 30 yr maturity – called T-bonds). The actual yields on all these securities varies with risk – short term - lower risk, and lower yield, long term – higher risk and higher yield. These yields vs. maturity can form a curve, called the yield curve, that is used by investors to estimate the level of risk mispricing.

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The longer terms bonds are a relatively new product and long term data is not available. In contrast, the 10 yr note yields go back as far as 1871 and could be used as comparison to case schiller home price index, which could be traced back to 1890. While the 10 yr treasury yield does not equal the 30 yr mortgage rates, the trends in 10 yr yield is a sufficient approximation for trends in 30 yr fixed rate mortgage. Here we look at the history of housing price index (log-10 scale) and comparing it to the interest rate of a 10yr treasury note.

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Normally, across podcasts, blogposts and YouTube videos we hear that recent parabolic rise in housing prices has been attributed, in part, to a massive drop in interest rates going from the Paul Volcker era of the high interest rates in 1980 up to now, when we are in the zero interest rate environment since 2008 (excluding rate hikes from 2016-2018). Indeed, if we look at precipitous drop in the 10 yr treasury rates (on linear scale) and skyrocketing housing index, we may reach the same conclusion as well. We may decide, that, given how sensitive our overleveraged economy has become to slight upticks in the interest rates, we may indeed expect another housing crash if the Fed raises rates even a little. However, zooming further out, shows us a different picture.

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Panic of 1873. After the economic boom post Civil War, a lot of speculative investment was made into the railroad industry, which was the dominant industry at the time. However, this investment was overleveraged and did not offer immediate or short-term returns. In addition, a series of events, like 1871 Chicago fire and the equine influenza outbreak caused a series of defaults that lead to the panic of 1873. This caused a downward pressure on the 10 yr treasury yields, leading them to fall from 5.58% to 3.62% in the mid 1880s. In 1893, another economic crash happened, bringing the rates further down from 3.75 to 3.15% in 1900. As the bond yields dropped significantly from over the course of 26 years, the housing index (measuring from 1890) rose only by 5%.

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Early 20s Century. The early 1900s were rocky – from the panic of 1908 to WWI. As the economic conditions improved in the early 20s (the roaring 20s), the bond yield saw expected come back from the lows of 3.10% in 1900 to the peak of 5.09% in 1921. In addition, the Central Bank of the United States, named the Federal Reserved (or “The Fed”), was already established in 1913, and it began open market treasuries sales and rates hike to tame rising inflation. At the same time, together with the increasing rates, the housing index continued increasing as well from 3.85 in 1900 to 5.99 in 1921. Even though the economy started seeing heightened market exuberance and the downside risks began to increase, The Fed, while knowing full well the risks of easy money, inflation and speculation, continued to purchase the treasuries. During the January 14, 1924 meeting, the open market committee notes: “While the situation clearly contains a threat of inflation, the time has not yet come to sell securities… We should continue to acquire more as far as we can do so…”. This is just one example, that makes some say that, deliberately or not, the Fed has contributed to the creation of the Great Depression. In a free market, when the economy is doing well and there is no need for safety of treasuries, investors will sell treasuries and re-invest elsewhere, leading to the yield increase – the opposite of what happened in the 20s. Now that the Fed is interfering with the free market, one cannot predict what would happen with the yields, regardless of the state of the economy, unless that one is a Fed insider. From 1921 until the peak euphoria in 1929, while the housing stayed mostly flat (3% drop from 1921 to 1929), the bond yields declined tremendously from 5.09% to 3.60 %.

After the stock market peak in 1929, and subsequent Great Depression, the housing market dropped from by massive 25% by 1933 (such drop is only paralleled by GFC in 2008 in the recorded history!) During this time, the treasury yields stayed mostly flat. From 1933 to 1941, the thick of the World War II, the housing market recovered and moved upwards, while the 10 Yr Treasury rates cratered from 3.31% to 1.95%. The reasons the rates moved even further down in the mid 30s is the increased demand on treasuries due to the new legislation aimed at stabilizing the banks and requiring that the banks hold government securities as reserves. This fueled the demand for treasuries, as well as the Fed policy aimed at creating more liquidity in the market by purchasing treasuries with their printed money.

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Post WWII. From the creation of the Fed in 1913 to 1940, the Central Bank has learned from their experiments on the American economy and also learned the cause and effect relationships between manipulating the markets through securities purchases/sales and the economic health. These manipulations were called “monetary policy” and were used deliberately to stimulate or to cool down the economy since then. During the WWII and the recovery period of 1950s, there was a need for credit to conduct warfare and to rebuild the infrastructure, which the Fed accommodated by keeping the yields low and flat until mid 50s at ~2.5% for the 10yr treasury. During this time, as we discussed before, the housing market had a parabolic 300% rise due to new loan options and developing mortgage market.

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From the mid 50s to late 60s, the yields continue to inch up as the Fed tried to get ahead of the inflation that was brewing due to massive money creation during the WWII and the recovery period. Followed by the Nixon Shock in 1971, when the US Treasury knew it could no longer exchange dollars for gold (too many printed dollars, too little gold), the gold standard was “temporarily” suspended. The public sentiment has shifted drastically, as people realized that now, the paper dollar is not backed by anything, which lead to massive capital flight to assets and everyday purchases, fueling inflation to unseen levels of 15% in the end of 70s/early 80s. In addition, gas shortages (which now could be called “supply chain issues”) also contributed to rising prices. As a measure to control inflation, the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Paul Volcker raised the fed funds rate to almost 20% in 1981, which resulted in the 10 yr treasury yield of 14.5% later in 1982. During this time, the housing continued to appreciate due to Freddie Mac creation, increasing homeowners’ monthly payments with each year.

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1982 marks the height of the treasury yields. The next 40 years will see an unprecedented drop of Fed funds rates and also the treasury yields. From 1982 until 2003 the yields dropped from 14.5% to 4.05%, while the housing index skyrocketed by almost 300%. The no money down housing purchases and no income, no job, no assets (the NINJA) loans became popular, the housing continued to skyrocket while the yields increased modestly until 2007. After 2007, the housing crash registered 27% drop in the housing index (such level seen only during The Great Depression), and the Fed began accommodating the economic recovery through zero interest rate policy (ZIRP), and massive treasury purchasing programs. After 2011, as the housing market showed parabolic recovery, the Fed continued the endless QE cycles, making markets so high on easy money, that in 2013, when Fed announced that they will slow down the rate of purchasing (taper purchasing), the market experienced the “taper tantrum”. From 2012 until 2022, the 10 yr treasury yields stayed mostly flat (the modest hikes in 2018 and drops in 2020 canceling each out).

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So where are we now? Today, March 4, 2022, we are seeing the housing market at its highest in history. The fed funds rate at near zero, 10 yr treasury at historic lows, rising slowly from the bottoms of 2020, and the 30 yr fixed mortgage rates at historic lows as well (and also slowly rising). Throughout history, while there may have been a short term softening of housing with rising rates, the overall trend is a complete lack of correlation between the two. The primary reason for that is that the input factors driving securities yields and housing prices are not necessarily the same.

Conclusions. The driving forces behind housing market are very complex. There are many factors, however, generally supply and demand hold true in housing on the buying and selling side, and staying power plays a role on if someone has to sell at a loss. Staying power: income, reserves and effective management. What we sometimes miss, is that the same is true for bond (mortgage) market. It also depends on many factors, fed funds rate being only one of them. Sometimes they move together with housing prices, sometimes in the opposing directions, and sometimes they are completely uncorrelated. While the fed funds rate is set only by the Fed, the treasury yields depend on many more factors, including FOMC operations (Fed buying and selling securities), as well as institutional and individual investor behavior. Whether the fed funds rate hike on March 16, 2022 (if it happens) will lead to softening in the housing market - is only a guess.