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All Forum Posts by: Andrew B.

Andrew B. has started 12 posts and replied 48 times.

Post: Annual Property Valuation

Andrew B.Posted
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 34

Hi everyone,

I have a question for those of you that own properties and track your net worth on a monthly/quarterly/annual basis.  What is your process for re-valuing properties as the appreciate in value or suffer value declines?  

Do you record your properties at the appraised value when purchased and then only revalue them when a new appraisal is completed for some other reason?  Or do you update the estimated value of your property over time?  

If you do the latter, what process do you use to do so?  Do you ask a realtor to run comps for your property on a periodic basis, Zillow Zestimate (probably not), run your own comps, or some other manner of valuation?

Thanks!

Post: Second Property in my Portfolio

Andrew B.Posted
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 34
Originally posted by @William Harris:

@Andrew B.credit score is above 700! I didn’t even get to the part where they ask for my personal information. They told me there was no way I would get 15% for an investment property with them. So maybe you did something in particular to get this? 

I would call them back and try to get a different banker. Page 2 of the link below shows that for Single Family Investment Properties, you can go as high as 85% LTV for Fannie Mae. If they give you the same 80% LTV answer, refer them to the link below and ask them why they cannot do it. I have nothing unique with my situation that made me qualify for 85% LTV on a Single Family.

https://singlefamily.fanniemae... 

Post: Second Property in my Portfolio

Andrew B.Posted
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 34

@William Harris is your credit score below 680? That could be the difference for 80% and 85% LTV.

Post: Second Property in my Portfolio

Andrew B.Posted
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 34

@Troy McElhaney Quicken Loans. Loan is in our personal names rather than in an LLC. It's a Fannie Mae conventional loan so most major lenders can do it.

Post: Second Property in my Portfolio

Andrew B.Posted
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 34

Investment Info:

Single-family residence buy & hold investment in Cleveland.

Purchase price: $91,000
Cash invested: $20,175

3 bed 1 bath property on a street that is the border between a B and C neighborhood.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Spent most of the year looking for a solid BRRRR candidate but didn't end up finding one. Goal was to buy 3 units in 2020 and I needed one more so I focused on finding a good cash flow deal. Set an internal target of 8% NOI margin/cap rate and >$200 CF per month. It was also only 50% of the capital we've saved to invest in deals which made it a solid base hit of an acquisition.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Purchased from the MLS. I had a list of properties that had been on the MLS longer than 14 days (a rarity these days) and had my realtor email the listing agents for each of them to see if their buyer would be amenable to my lower offer. This one was listed at $99,900 and I offered $87,500 and purchased for $91,000 which was lower than my maximum of $93,000.

How did you finance this deal?

Purchased with conventional financing, 85% LTV.

How did you add value to the deal?

This was basically a turn-key house except for some minor cosmetic items. The biggest thing is that while it is on the edge of a B/C area, I made sure that the house was clean and in a condition that I would feel comfortable living in. Many of the people who came to view the property commented on how much nicer of a property I had compared to what else is on the market. The house doesn't have any fancy finishes or upgrades but it's in a condition I can be proud of offering to tenants.

What was the outcome?

Once I lowered rent, I was able to rent it out to a very qualified family. They were very excited to be accepted because the house is much nicer and cleaner than a lot of the offerings in the area.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

I set my initial rent at the higher end of the market range but realized that in this specific area, those that were able/willing to pay the higher range were applicants that did not meet my credit and income requirements which was not intuitive to me at first. Since this is more of a C class neighborhood, potential applicants willing to pay higher rents that have better credit and higher income were more likely to look at renting in nicer neighborhoods.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Gabbie Provencher is a wonderful realtor who knows the the west side and south side of Cleveland very well. She is a hustler and is very motivated to build her career.

@Scott Williams hi Scott, feel free to DM me your questions. I managed to buy a duplex in Lakewood using FHA last February. Tough market out there and the math is tight to say the least.

Post: Water Backup Insurance Coverage

Andrew B.Posted
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 34

Hi everyone,

I have a question about water back up coverage.  What types of situations/houses does it make sense to opt-in for this coverage?  I am in the process of purchasing a house on a slab in an old city.  It is $80 for $5k of coverage.


Curious to hear of anyone's experience with this type of coverage and what their thought process is/was!

Post: Old Brooklyn - Water Back Up Coverage

Andrew B.Posted
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 34

Hi everyone,

I am purchasing a slab bungalow in Old Brooklyn on Fulton Pkwy.  Does anyone know if there are issues in the area with water/sewer backups?  It's $80 on the year for $5k of coverage but if it's not something people deal with, I am not sure I want to elect for the coverage.

Thanks!

Post: New Investor Floundering Around

Andrew B.Posted
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 34
Originally posted by @Ryan Evans:

Keep in mind, whether or not you approve of wholesaling, you're almost always going to need to pay cash to buy those deals. Sure, hard money is an option, but it doesn't usually pencil out for under 100k properties even if you can find a lender. 

There are a bunch of areas where you can buy good houses for 70-80k that will cash flow immediately. You buy those all day long over in Garfield Heights, Maple Heights, Euclid, etc.. They might not be home runs, but it could get you going and they don't have a lot of headaches if you buy right. 

That is a great point about needing to pay in cash.  We are actively saving to build up enough capital to purchase and rehab using our own cash.  Initially, I thought I was going to be able to use hard money but like you said, it doesn't pencil when you are less than $110k range for acquisition/rehab.  Closing and holding costs devour any potential equity upside.  We should have $100k available to us by January if we don't do any deals by then, more if I take out a 401k loan.  I am very hesitant to take out a 401k loan though with all of the uncertainty in the world.  I consider our W-2 jobs to be stable and resilient and that has been the case thus far but you never know when things could change.

Post: New Investor Floundering Around

Andrew B.Posted
  • Cleveland, OH
  • Posts 49
  • Votes 34
Originally posted by @Patrick Henry:
Here is my 2 cents. I have 3 rentals in Ohio. My last one closed in Jan 2020.
It sounds like you are going in the right direction. You even have your possible solutions in your post. That's awesome! Sometimes making the decision is the hardest part. Hopefully the responses you get will help you with that. Good luck! Keep moving forward.

1. My deal analysis is too conservative.- It might be a little, but you need to feel comfortable with what you do or you will tank, stressing about things.

2. My criteria for properties is unrealistic (B Class neighborhood where I can buy low, renovate, and appraise high enough to get 50% or more of my capital out in a cash-out refinance).- this is the same as 1, but you might look for ways to reduce cost in rehab. Also think about what you make on your money if it just sits.

3. My local market doesn't support the strategy I am trying to execute- this is very possible. You may want to focus here. If you can find markets that meet your criteria for the cash flow when you buy retail, you should be able to BRRRR without too much of an issue.

2. Change my investment criteria and/or deal analysis assumptions to make more properties work on paper.- Keep it accurate, but don't force it to work. That can lead to big headaches and little or no money/profit.

3. Look for off market properties not on the MLS using direct marketing efforts.- Definitely a solution, making things lean in your favor. Just remember marketing will be an expense, but if done right it pays for itself and then some.

4. Look outside my local market for a market where BRRRR deals are easier to find.- Hell yes. If your system works in another market go for it. Make it easier on yourself. 

Thanks for responding!  I am going to dedicate time to evaluating other markets in adjacent counties to Cuyahoga County (where I've been looking) and then expanding beyond, if necessary.