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All Forum Posts by: Andrew Threet

Andrew Threet has started 12 posts and replied 37 times.

Post: How to invest $20-25k?

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Originally posted by @Michael Bennett:
Originally posted by @Andrew Threet:
Originally posted by @Michael Bennett:

@Andrew Threet Learn everything you can about house hacking. BP has endless info on the strategy. You can comfortably buy a $450k property right now and still have money left over. Always keep some cash on the sidelines. Don't wait forever. Learn by doing. A couple hundred bucks in cash flow every month won't change your life. Owning a bunch of property will.

Thanks Michael, so would you opt against turnkey property? I know you said a couple bucks a month won't change my life, but I would hope to eventually buy more. And as you said owning a bunch of property will, so would investing in multiple turnkey properties be a good strategy to go with?

For your first property yes. As an out of state investor you're going to have to put down 20% on this property. With $20k that means you can buy a $100k property. A $100k property today likely doesn't appreciate very much year to year. So you spend your whole savings to make $300-$400 a month. If you're like me you want to get rich, be wealthy, have freedom. At a bare minimum I need at least $10k/mo in passive income to "retire". At $400/mo per property I would need to buy 25 properties to hit $10k. At $20k down per property that's $500k worth of down payments. I don't know about you but I don't have that kind of cash just chillin'. Now if you were to buy a $400k house in CA and make 4% appreciation that's $16k a year. In 10 years you'll have $300k in equity in that single house. Do the same calculation on a $100k property AND add $50k to account for 10 years of cash flow and you still won't have half that amount in equity.  Use the owner-occupant mortgage gift you've been given. House-hack every 24 months and in 10 years you'll have a net worth around two commas and a heck of a lot of options.

Thanks for the follow up Michael, this is valuable information. I decided to not go with the turnkey option and instead go back to the drawing board to assess my options. I think I plan to either house hack like you suggested or find an OOS rental property in an area that has better appreciation, possibly Texas.

Finding a 400k house to house hack in a nice neighborhood is hard to come by in the bay area, it's usually just smaller apartment and condos for that price. But maybe it just means a little more patience and research. I do appreciate your input though!

Post: How to invest $20-25k?

Andrew ThreetPosted
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Originally posted by @Joseph Crunkilton:

@Andrew Threet

Anytime! Just make sure to vet the provider and make sure they're reputable and reviewed. I'm on SDIRA Wealth's website and am confused on what they provide. Make sure you're confident that your investment will succeed. 

Thanks for the update Joesph! I just sent requested to connect with you if you don't mind going a bit more in depth on your experience. But if not then we can just discuss here as well.

This is my first time dealing with a property purchase and so I'm a bit apprehensive about going all in on a property I've never seen before. So I was wondering if you could let me know how you were able to build your confidence in your final decision with buying your turnkey property.

Post: How to invest $20-25k?

Andrew ThreetPosted
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Originally posted by @Joseph Crunkilton:

@Andrew Threet

Turnkey is a great option for someone starting out. I got my first property back in June and turnkey was the strategy I used. I got a good, renovated property with a tenant in place. The biggest thing with TK investing is who you choose to partner with. 

@Zach Lemaster at Rent to Retirement is who I used and I've been happy with my experience. 

Thanks for your input Joseph, I have most recently been working with trying to get a property in Tennessee and have been working with SDIRA Wealth with a guy named Justin French. If anyone has ever worked with them before, it'd be great to get some feedback on them as I couldn't find much outside sources on them.

Post: How to invest $20-25k?

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Originally posted by @Jon Schwartz:
Originally posted by @Andrew Threet:

Hello I’m new to real estate investing, but it’s something I’ve been interested in for some time now and have been saving up to be able to put me in a position to do so.

Currently, I have about 20-25k ready to invest and I was wondering what the best avenue to do so. I was thinking of investing in some rental properties to get some extra monthly cash flow, however I live in CA and with the amount of money I have saved so far, investing in local property right now would probably be out of the question.

So I was thinking the most solid option for me would be to invest in some out of state turnkey rental properties. I have been doing some extensive research on it, but would also like some advice from people that are more versed on the topic.

Any suggestions? Is turnkey a good way to go for a first time real estate investor? Should I just wait and save up more to open up more options for myself?

Any advice is very much appreciated, thank you!


Andrew, great question!

I'm also in CA. Where in CA are you? There are parts of the state where $25K is enough to get started -- with a househack.

I recommend you househack a home or a duplex where you live. With an FHA or NACA loan, you can get into a property with a single-digit or even no down payment. If you househack a home, you'll be renting out the other bedrooms to friends or qualified tenants. If you househack a duplex, you live in one unit and rent the other. The reason to pursue this strategy is that it lowers your cost of living, allowing you save more money while the property is appreciating and the loan principle is being paid down. These three elements together are really powerful for building equity.

I wouldn't mail out a $25K check for a turnkey in the Midwest. When you buy a turnkey, you're sacrificing equity for convenience. When you buy in the Midwest, you're sacrificing appreciating for cashflow. If you use leverage to buy a $100K turnkey property, you might see $100/month in cashflow at best. In a couple of years, the property will be worth about what you paid for it. Holistically, it's not a great investment.

Going back to the househack example, you won't see any cashflow now, but you'll likely be paying less per month than your current rent. An FHA loan allows you to buy a bigger property, so your principal paydown and appreciation will be outsized, and depending on where in CA you are, your gain from appreciation could be significant. After a few years, you'll have enough equity in the property to sell or refinance and really payroll the next step of your investing career.

So, back to the first question: where in CA are you? Let's explore options around there.

Thanks for the input Jon, I'm from the Bay Area. I have done some research on house hacking but not too extensive.

I wouldn't mind things being a little more passive and getting some cashflow upfront to help increase income for future investments. Hence why I was asking about turnkeys. However if you're suggesting house hacking would be a better option, I wouldn't be opposed into learning more about it.

Post: How to invest $20-25k?

Andrew ThreetPosted
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Originally posted by @Michael Bennett:

@Andrew Threet Learn everything you can about house hacking. BP has endless info on the strategy. You can comfortably buy a $450k property right now and still have money left over. Always keep some cash on the sidelines. Don't wait forever. Learn by doing. A couple hundred bucks in cash flow every month won't change your life. Owning a bunch of property will.

Thanks Michael, so would you opt against turnkey property? I know you said a couple bucks a month won't change my life, but I would hope to eventually buy more. And as you said owning a bunch of property will, so would investing in multiple turnkey properties be a good strategy to go with?

Post: How to invest $20-25k?

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Originally posted by @Michael Henry:

@Andrew Threet Find someone experienced to partner with. Don't get greedy, your goal is to learn and earn an above-average return with minimal risk of losing your investment. 

@Micheal Henry, thanks for the input. What would you suggest I partner up for exactly? I'm all for learning and having minimal risk on losing my investment

Post: How to invest $20-25k?

Andrew ThreetPosted
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Hello I’m new to real estate investing, but it’s something I’ve been interested in for some time now and have been saving up to be able to put me in a position to do so.

Currently, I have about 20-25k ready to invest and I was wondering what the best avenue to do so. I was thinking of investing in some rental properties to get some extra monthly cash flow, however I live in CA and with the amount of money I have saved so far, investing in local property right now would probably be out of the question.

So I was thinking the most solid option for me would be to invest in some out of state turnkey rental properties. I have been doing some extensive research on it, but would also like some advice from people that are more versed on the topic.

Any suggestions? Is turnkey a good way to go for a first time real estate investor? Should I just wait and save up more to open up more options for myself?

Any advice is very much appreciated, thank you!