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All Forum Posts by: Amy Hu

Amy Hu has started 26 posts and replied 111 times.

Post: Terrible PM and contractors-cautions out of state investors

Amy HuPosted
  • Investor
  • Thousand Oaks, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 47
Forget it if you don't have an honest, trustworthy local PM .  Too many pitfalls for OOSI.

Originally posted by @Daniel Mendez:
Originally posted by @Austin Tam:

I went through literally all of this last year on my first two out of state properties.  I thought seriously about cutting my losses and giving up at one point. I'm glad I didn't because every purchase since then has been better with fewer headaches, and I've learned a lot along the way. Next month will be a milestone for me; It'll be the first month I'll have all of my Cleveland units occupied with positive cash flow.  It's really not that much work, if any, once the units are filled. 

 Hey Austin,

How do you like Cleveland so far in regards to investing? Are these MFR that you are purchasing or SFR?

I am looking into purchasing my first out of state property and I am looking into potentially choosing Cleveland as one of the cities I invest in. 

Post: Terrible PM and contractors-cautions out of state investors

Amy HuPosted
  • Investor
  • Thousand Oaks, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 47
Originally posted by @Nicole Heasley Beitenman:

@Alfred Harrison They don't vet their PM's. They don't have the intimate knowledge of the city that comes from years of growing up/living/working there; they don't vet the neighborhood. They end up buying in a dead area or a war zone. They overpay. They can't jump on deals as quickly as a local, especially when it comes to off-market deals. They can't network in person on a regular basis. They can't build rapport as easily with their rentals' neighbors. They don't vet their agent. They try to gain knowledge through secondary sources like Zillow or Google Earth. They aren't there to see if a contractor shows up or finishes a job. 

@Ali Boone Type of investment and location are absolutely sources of failures. You cannot buy any cheap house in Ohio and make money. It doesn't matter if the house is $5,000. And yet every day, I see "investors" from California and international investors are trying to scoop up "cheap" properties all over the midwest without realizing they're buying in dead areas or war zones. Whether or not my blanket statements are helpful or not doesn't change the fact that they're true. There are some great OOSI out there who are an asset to communities. There are far more OOSI out there who are blights on communities. 

Very true. Local investors and landlords have a lot of advantage. Nobody will care for your investment as much as yourself do.

Post: Terrible PM and contractors-cautions out of state investors

Amy HuPosted
  • Investor
  • Thousand Oaks, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 47

Last year, 3 other CA investors told me they were cheated by terrible PM and had to fire them. 

Post: Terrible PM and contractors-cautions out of state investors

Amy HuPosted
  • Investor
  • Thousand Oaks, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 47
It'd be naive to think my post would stay here if I name the terrible people in this forum.
Plus lots of newbie would find this warning helpful.
There's Yelp for finding good restaurants. A rating website for horrible service providers would be great.

Originally posted by @Brian Garlington:

@Amy Hu

No disrespect,...but you are not doing anyone much good if you don't tell people who the PM was so that the rest of us know who to avoid. I understand that you may not want to blast them in a public forum, which is why I direct messaged you before asking who the PM was.  All you're doing is stoking the fires but not letting us know who to avoid.

Just sayin'

Post: Terrible PM and contractors-cautions out of state investors

Amy HuPosted
  • Investor
  • Thousand Oaks, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 47

Two PM I used are licensed realtor.  They both lied and cheated.

The last one I fired distributed only a portion of rent recorded in their rent ledger. When I pointed out the error, they just ignored.

I gave them a brand new SimpliSafe security system to install in a vacant house.

I also paid them 1/2 of the rehab estimate to get the work done. After many email and calls unresponded in the following 1.5 months, I found the house broken in, water tank and furnace stolen. They didn't do any work, no security alarm installed, no rehab work.

The horror story just goes on and on.

Personally I don't think it's worth the trouble if you're a software engineer/CPA etc. in CA.

Post: Terrible PM and contractors-cautions out of state investors

Amy HuPosted
  • Investor
  • Thousand Oaks, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 47

A word to fellow investors from both coasts- too many liars and blood suckers waiting for opportunity to rip you off. If you're a working professional and haven't seen the ugly side of greed , traps, lying, betrayal etc. in the business world, Think twice before you jump in.

There's just too much risk investing out of state. The biggest is people. PM collected rent and ran away. Or placed tenant with recent eviction record into your property. Contractor grabbed money and disappeared or cut corner everywhere. Talk to other investors. I'm not the first one who bumped into these troubles, not the last either.

Even after doing business with a provider, there's no guarantee he/she's trustworthy. Maybe he's just waiting for the big feast! You can never be careful enough. And do not assume everyone on BP is a good guy.

Post: Lee-Miles Area (Cleveland)

Amy HuPosted
  • Investor
  • Thousand Oaks, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 47

I sold a house there in January.

The tenant stopped paying and forged payment document to avoid eviction. Though his awkward trick was easily handled by attorney, it costed me extra $$ and time to get him out.

I asked my PM to install security system there and paid him  deposit for repair. Guess what? Nothing was done for two months despite my constant following up! Then the house was broken in. furnace and hot water tank stolen!

Post: Out of State Investor Thinking About Cleveland

Amy HuPosted
  • Investor
  • Thousand Oaks, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 47

Be very careful about who you work with.

I've experienced a lot of lying, cheating, trapping etc in the past two years investing in CLE.

Post: great rental property for cash flow in Cleveland! $750rent

Amy HuPosted
  • Investor
  • Thousand Oaks, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 47

Don't miss such great opportunity if you're looking for cash flow cow below market value. these are rentals in my retirement account. They're great rental investment. Unfortunately we can't do cash out refi because of regulations on retirement account. They're managed by local PM. 10% collected rent is typical in Cleveland. They're in demand in solid rental neighborhood. please email [email protected] for more information. Please do not disturb tenants.

Priced to sell quickly to end investors. save agent fee for us. Middle men, I understand you need to make money but let's not waste time. thanks


3852 E 188th, cleveland ,44122 ;

3858 E 188th, cleveland,44122
;

The two houses sit next to each other on E.188th are both 3 bedroom 1 bath in Cleveland on the border of Beachwood (A class neighborhood) 1060 square ft ,laundry in half finished basement, one car garage, fenced in yard. Rehabbed the same way in 2016 which includes, New furnace and water tank, freshly painted and hardwood flooring, new sink and doors. Rent is 750 and could be $800. sell for 45k each.

1920 Rookwood Rd, cleveland , 44112, rent $750. sell for $39k

3 Bedrooms 1 Bath Ranch, No basement, 1Car garage, 8,154 sqft lot size, 948 sqf

Nice quite street. updated Kitchen and bath. will make a nice home. Private yard.. new wood look luxury floor installed July 2018. tiles in bathroom.

2508 Greenvale Rd. Cleveland, OH 44112; rent 750, sell for 48k.

3 bedrooms 1 bath, no basement, Large yard, Living room, dining room. recently rehabbed. near border of South Euclid.

4789 E 177th ; cleveland, 44128 ; 3b1b, rent $700 , rehabed in Dec. 2016 . not occupied, all new furnace &water tank stolen before Thanksgiving. sell for $28k

tenats pay water and sewer, electricity, gas. tenants responsible for all landscaping.

Post: 'small' vs 'bigger' property management companies

Amy HuPosted
  • Investor
  • Thousand Oaks, CA
  • Posts 126
  • Votes 47

Good PM is hard to find gem. That's why Cleveland local landlords get better return than OOS  investors. Nobody cares about your properties more than yourself.